Dogs in coffee shops

RosiesMaw2 - well said! I could have written that myself!

Goodness there’s some virtue signalling on this thread.
Dogs do not necessarily smell - many humans do however.
Keeping a dog in an outhouse? Unless this is a working dog such as a sheepdog, this strikes me as unnecessarily cruel. Dogs are pack animals and their humans are their “pack”
So much pearl clutching about badly behaved owners and their dogs, in all my 76 years- at least 60 of them as a dog owner- this has never been an issue and I can honestly say I have never witnessed any of these shock! horror! Incidents.
Save your breath - if you don’t like dogs, that’s fine. If my dog doesn’t like you - that tells me all I want to know.

I don’t like the idea of keeping a spaniel in the outhouse either, they are clever dogs who love being with people, and would not enjoy that at all. I’ve got a spaniel, and he doesn’t smell - he is bathed when necessary, which is all it takes. I don’t take him to cafes though, unless we are sitting outside, because he is a terrrible foodie, and it puts me off eating when he fixates me with his eyes waiting for a crumb to drop to the floor.

I've been in houses that reek of all sorts of things. Kippers, cabbage, curries, BO cigarettes etc etc. Not smelt any dogs yet. We have dogs and I'm very aware that my home doesn't smell. Just having dogs does not mean they're going to smell your house out.

Very sad to read about the spaniel in the outhouse. One of the reasons I prefer dogs to many humans.

The love they have given me from being a baby to my early 60s . I can't imagine life without them.

What made me think is! do they use the same dish to bake the pies or human food in

By the way the dog was having scrambled egg and sausage so you imagine the mess.

Watching a youtube video few days ago about motorhomes caravans etc.

This couple have a small chihuahua( had to look that up how to spell) they obviously had to look for a cafe that accepted dogs.

They found a cafe with a sort of dog/pet shop attached to it.

They ordered food for themselves then ordered the dog some food (from the dog menu)

The food came, they put the dogs dish on the table and the dog stood on it's hind legs and tried to eat sort of from the table, the dog was stood on a chair, In the end they put the dish of dog food on the chair for the dog to eat.

It was in one of those oval brown earthenware dishes (the ones that you normally would bake a pie in)

No way would I have eaten anything! in that cafe. Yuk!

Primrose53, dogs don’t need to smell. I have a huge lab and a show type spaniel. My dogs don’t mean my home is smelly. My neighbours working labs live in a huge kennel area in his garden. My dogs are family members so they share my home with me.

I was reminded of this thread last night. I went to visit a lady who has two spaniels. She has a lovely, spacious home with wood flooring and the dogs had gone out with her son but the smell of dogs was overpowering.

I was truly nearly sick and made my visit as short as politely possible. spaniels and labradors have that certain smell. We had a springer but she lived in an outhouse.

I knew about it because when the new regulations were brought in a local B&B owner here made a fuss about her dog no longer being allowed in the kitchen, which hit the local press - to very mixed responses.
I can remember dogs always being in pubs, going back to my youth, but not in restaurants.

Casdon

Freya5

Casdon

To the contrary Curtaintwitcher, UK law always allowed dogs in commercial kitchens as well as in eating ares. I can remember the big fuss made when an EU law came in banning them from the kitchens, because it was sensationalised in the press.

Food Hygeine regulations 2013 insist restaurant owners cannot allow dogs into places where food is stored , handled or prepared. No law that states dogs cannot be permitted into restaurants etc. Personally after a dog barking contest in a local garden centre, where we were eating, getting tangled in a small dogs long lead, I was the one at fault of course, I would be quite happy to see them banned, or at least considerate owners removing them.

That’s right Freya5, the Food Hygiene regulations were changed after the EU ruling. Before that restauranteurs could have their dogs in the kitchen while they cooked food for customers.

Well, I've never heard of that, how disgusting. Then I can't ever remember dogs being allowed anywhere near a Restaurant or Cafe.

Dogs aren't the problem.
It's silly owners who are.

MissInterpreted

Anyone who feels that way wouldn't be welcome in my house anyway. Give me dogs over judgemental humans any day of the week.

Just what I was going to say MissInterpreted

Skydancer we get an immense amount of love and pleasure from our pets, a little extra cleaning is a small price to pay. Like other pet owners I have hard floors which are easy to clean and don't absorb odour.

Just walk 100 yards along any town centre high street and you're bound to observe plenty of humans whose unsavoury, unkempt, unwashed and sloppy appearance really should not be tolerated in a coffee shop/cafe establishment.

Compared to these individuals I'd say that dogs are no problem.

It all depends. Keswick is full of dogs in summer and the smaller cafes and pubs that serve meals are happy to have them, but for obvious reasons, the restaurants don't allow them in. I suppose someone who has paid £30 for a steak doesn't expect a dog to pop up and try to eat it.

flappergirl

Sar53

I was on a bus the other day and a lady got on with a very large dog. The dog sat on the seat next to her the whole time she was on the bus. No one, including me, said a thing but I was very uncomfortable with it.
I was thinking of the next person to sit on that seat.
What would you have done .

Judging by some of the passengers I see on buses I imagine the dog was probably better groomed and more hygienic. He would be unlikely to stick chewing gum under the seat or sneeze all over the person in front for example.

Personally I'm thoroughly sick of young children running riot in eateries. They are a danger to waiting staff, plaster their grubby fingers everywhere and screech to high heaven like monkeys in the rain forest, all totally unchecked by their parents.

Worst of all you are supposed to find all of this utterly endearing, especially as a woman, or risk being burned at the stake. Give me dogs any day.

I agree whole heartedly.

A couple of years ago we went to local music venue that also does dinner on the music night. It's on a campsite run by a Dutch couple.

There were some young children there running about and generally making a noise. One group complained to the management who then asked the mother to keep her child under control. she was angry and wanted to know who had complained.

I was p......d off and I changed the angle of my chair and sat with my legs stretched out. The child, running heedlessly, fell over them. I had no sympathy.

There are times when adults do not want small children around and the parents should be aware of that.

Usually in France children are well behaved but this was a Dutch family.

Furthermore the French do take their dogs to restaurants without anyone complaining.

What do people dogs will do in a bar or cafe etc that would make it so unhygienic.? They don't normally pee on table legs, many of them couldn't reach the table top so what is it?

Freya5

Casdon

To the contrary Curtaintwitcher, UK law always allowed dogs in commercial kitchens as well as in eating ares. I can remember the big fuss made when an EU law came in banning them from the kitchens, because it was sensationalised in the press.

Food Hygeine regulations 2013 insist restaurant owners cannot allow dogs into places where food is stored , handled or prepared. No law that states dogs cannot be permitted into restaurants etc. Personally after a dog barking contest in a local garden centre, where we were eating, getting tangled in a small dogs long lead, I was the one at fault of course, I would be quite happy to see them banned, or at least considerate owners removing them.

That’s right Freya5, the Food Hygiene regulations were changed after the EU ruling. Before that restauranteurs could have their dogs in the kitchen while they cooked food for customers.

Casdon

To the contrary Curtaintwitcher, UK law always allowed dogs in commercial kitchens as well as in eating ares. I can remember the big fuss made when an EU law came in banning them from the kitchens, because it was sensationalised in the press.

Food Hygeine regulations 2013 insist restaurant owners cannot allow dogs into places where food is stored , handled or prepared. No law that states dogs cannot be permitted into restaurants etc. Personally after a dog barking contest in a local garden centre, where we were eating, getting tangled in a small dogs long lead, I was the one at fault of course, I would be quite happy to see them banned, or at least considerate owners removing them.

Thanks to all of you considerate dog owners who do not take your dogs into restaurants or cafés. I'm not keen on the smell of dogs (love cats and horses) and would not eat or drink where there were dogs indoors.

I have a well behaved Labrador who is sometimes walked on heathland with a very dog friendly pub at the edge of the Heath . Dogs are only allowed in the bar area not in the restaurant . So customers have the option where to eat. Our dog is tucked under a table or in a corner and always on a short lead . Some diners haven’t even realised he’s there .
I don’t agree with dogs on benches or tables , or extendable leads .
I have more of a problem with children running around pubs and restaurants. Shouting and screaming. Whilst their parents ignore them . It’s a danger with staff carrying hot food and trays of drinks .
My kids were never allowed to get down from the table in a restaurant and run around . I took books and game boys and colouring stuff for them .

JamesandJon33

Skydancer How I agree with you. We have some friends who have several dogs. I am sure they have no idea how their house smells. We always have to change our clothing after visiting as the smell lingers.

Wow, I'm sure your friends would love to know you felt like that behind their backs!

JamesandJon33

Skydancer How I agree with you. We have some friends who have several dogs. I am sure they have no idea how their house smells. We always have to change our clothing after visiting as the smell lingers.

Maybe you should say something to them. I’ve had my own dogs for 30 years and have often asked non dog owners if my house smells of dog . I’m not offended if they were to say it does.
They assure me my house doesn’t smell. We do have hard floors downstairs which is easier to clean , use a robot hover daily and wash dog beds weekly . We also have leather sofas which are easy to wipe down .

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Don't mind so long as the dogs or on a lead and kept apart. I was in a pub last year where the landlord had two Staffordshire bull terriers that were totally placid and acted like comfort dogs to some of the regulars.

Skydancer How I agree with you. We have some friends who have several dogs. I am sure they have no idea how their house smells. We always have to change our clothing after visiting as the smell lingers.

Musicgirl

I am a dog lover and have a Cairn Terrier. I would not dream of taking him inside an establishment that serves food and drink. I feel that it is unhygienic and many people simply don’t like dogs. I don’t want other people’s dogs sniffing me or jumping up at me, either. Last week, I was with a friend intending to go into a local café. The person in front of us had a young husky type of dog. This dog was undisciplined and over friendly. He decided he wanted to greet me and jumped on me. His front paws reached the top of my collarbone. This was the point at which my friend and I cut our losses and found a café that was not dog friendly where we could enjoy our food in peace.

I can understand why eateries are 'dog-friendly' - they need the custom.

But why the heck don't they make some rules regarding the behaviour of the dogs? Not everyone is comfortable in the presence of the animals, and most don't want a dog jumping up at them, or sniffing around them whilst they are queueing or eating. Owners should keep them on a short lead, by their side at all times - and most definitely not let them eat or drink off the plates nor sit on the seats. I sat adjacent to a couple in a pub serving food - I didn't even realise they had a dog until they got up to leave because it lay quietly by the side of one of them on the floor - it can be done.

I am a dog lover and have a Cairn Terrier. I would not dream of taking him inside an establishment that serves food and drink. I feel that it is unhygienic and many people simply don’t like dogs. I don’t want other people’s dogs sniffing me or jumping up at me, either. Last week, I was with a friend intending to go into a local café. The person in front of us had a young husky type of dog. This dog was undisciplined and over friendly. He decided he wanted to greet me and jumped on me. His front paws reached the top of my collarbone. This was the point at which my friend and I cut our losses and found a café that was not dog friendly where we could enjoy our food in peace.