A just stop oil protester is going to miss her brothers wedding now that she has been locked up.

Lets hope she learns something,.

Wow, some rather bigoted viewpoints here. I remember them well from my own yoof.
Been reading the Daily Hate?

Ah well.

mokryna

These people are fighting for the human race. The sentences were/are too harsh and they will be marked out of certain jobs for the rest of their lives.
It makes me think of the suffragettes.

If she has to be punished, as the prisons are overcrowded, shouldn’t she be tagged to stay at home?

Marked out of certain jobs for the rest of their lives?
Do me a favour - these out-of-touch narcissists are lucky enough to be going through life on a financial feather bed.
Mummy, Daddy and a Loads-a-Money trust fund will guarantee they'll never be in danger of needing a job.
Unlike the ordinary, everyday people whose lives they like to mess up with their antics.

Oh ffs.
One admittedly daft comment made by a frustrated mother does not negate the whole Just Stop Oil movement.
It's not the wedding, or even in people's admittedly frustrating missed hospital appointments. Unless we ALL wake up and change how we live, we won't have any world left because we've assumed we can continue as we are and don't really believe the 'hype'. It's easy to dismiss the protestors as feckless and irresponsible. They're far from it. I recall similar sneers being made decades ago when my parents took us on Aldermaston matches, and against the Greenham common women. If groups of people in weren't courageous enough to protest strongly in order to be heard, nothing would ever change, minds and views included.

Mokryna, we sit here, typing into GN on our devices made using scarce resources and frequently produced by the highest polluting countries, shipped over here in yet more polluting transport.
We learn about the events by watching and listening on the same or other devices, using electricity from whatever sources your fuel provider uses, cook our food (often with a carbon footprint), wash our clothes and ourselves, and clean our houses.
We can thankfully tell ourselves that we aren’t destroying the environment -*as much* as everyone else.
Then we hear from someone involved in stopping others from taking part in important, sometimes vital, lifesaving activities, and she/her parents are twining that she’ll miss a family wedding.
Do they not see how ludicrous it is?

eazybee

Once again, Rowantree, the vote for women was secured ultimately by the efforts of the suffragists, who did not condone violent methods to secure the vote because it antagonised as many as it impressed. They stopped all aggressive action at the outbreak of the First World War and worked tirelessly at jobs previously undertaken by men, convincing their harshest critics of their entitlement to a vote.
The Judges 'have got it' right and I hope the sentences are upheld.

The Suffragists tend to be airbrushed out of history, though.

Once again, Rowantree, the vote for women was secured ultimately by the efforts of the suffragists, who did not condone violent methods to secure the vote because it antagonised as many as it impressed. They stopped all aggressive action at the outbreak of the First World War and worked tirelessly at jobs previously undertaken by men, convincing their harshest critics of their entitlement to a vote.
The Judges 'have got it' right and I hope the sentences are upheld.

Rowantree thank you

Similar venom and scorn accompanied those women who disrupted life hugely in order to win the vote. They were bitterly condemned by many. Twas ever so. Talking and educating hasn't worked on those equally entitled twats who are incensed that they're being asked to avoid flying and driving so much. This is an emergency. If governments and populations take note we won't have liveable world for the coming generations. But it's ok, fly off to Teneriffe whenever you like on package flights. It's your right.
The difference is made my millions who make the effort imperfectly, not a few who do it perfectly. Occasional flying, for instance, would be far less of an issue if everyone took a few less flights and used their cars less. But no one listens, so desperate remedies, however unpopular and difficult, are necessary.
I do feel uncomfortable about some of their methods but I can understand exactly why they're doing what they do. The judges have got it wrong imprisoning them as they did with the suffragettes. And our prisons are too full as it is.
I fully expect to be shot down in the flames of indignation but frankly, my dears.....

First lesson of persuasion. Dont hack off those that could support you.

mokryna

These people are fighting for the human race. The sentences were/are too harsh and they will be marked out of certain jobs for the rest of their lives.
It makes me think of the suffragettes.

If she has to be punished, as the prisons are overcrowded, shouldn’t she be tagged to stay at home?

This isn't her first offence, she was already on a suspended sentence from her last court appearance. Her offences are escalating, this one is for conspiracy. Do you honestly think she would be constrained by a tagging device? She knew the consequences of further offences but obviously thought she was above the law and would be treated very lightly.

“Suspended sentences are custodial sentences, but rather than the defendant serving the sentence immediately, it is suspended on condition that the defendant commits no further offences and abides by any requirements that the court chooses to attach. ”

Good 👍🏻

I'd fight for endangered species.

The problem is too many humans for the planet to sustain us all.

These people are fighting for the human race. The sentences were/are too harsh and they will be marked out of certain jobs for the rest of their lives.
It makes me think of the suffragettes.

If she has to be punished, as the prisons are overcrowded, shouldn’t she be tagged to stay at home?

I knew a lovely Philomena. It's an Irish name.
(Just saying)

Lord, but these Trust Fund minted Cressida's, Tarquin's, Philomena's, Marmaduke's and Petronella's may or may not benefit from a dose of reality, courtesy of His Majesty's Prison's, but I would be satisfied that some kind of Karma had caught up with them.

As I said uptrend, if you commit a crime, then it is incumbent on you to accept the consequences.
I understand from the judges ruling that this young woman has an outstanding suspended sentence, so, clearly, incarceration was inevitable at the next breach of the law.
As she is a self - proclaimed intelligent person, surely she understood this?
The rights , or otherwise, of her cause, should not affect how we treat lawbreaking.
If we disagree, maybe we lobby against the law, but we should not expect the judicial sentencing guidelines to be affected by age/ intellect/ imminent social engagements .

GrannyGravy13

Ziplok

Not to derail the thread at all, but where do you get this information from Baggs, ie deaths from climate disasters have reduced by 98% over the last century, and how do you back up your claim that climate change is not very, very serious? Is there something we can read that backs your assertions? I’m asking genuinely.

Just Google have deaths due to climate change lessened over the last 100 years there are many articles from different sources.

Thanks, GG.

ourworldindata.org and humanprogress.org are also good sources of actual facts and data rather than emotional claptrap like Al Gore's ridiculous film.

@choughdancer you make a good point.

I have barely a carbon toe nail print as I am notoriously tight in my use of resources, walk everywhere, use public transport & will chew string until I get the last drop of flavour. My consumption of goods made in China & India is small. All by choice.

I assume that manufacturing for export does increase emissions in China & India etc, but if all export halted there will still be significant manufacturing & domestic use of fossil fuels etc to meet the needs (& wants) of the many millions, & without trade etc these nations would be less stable. The global economy is a circus of spinning plates, knock out one plate & an artichoke sneezes. I am not saying that there is a natural order to the interaction between states, economies & populations.

What I sure of is that Net Zero in the UK is a naive fantasy peddled by the few who have little idea how to make complex things work - that is not a denial of CC & the impact of varying climate patterns on ecologies & populations.

There is no easy peasy fix, many esteemed scientists & economists differ & we have competing needs & standards of living.

JSO et al have done nothing to change my mind, affiliations, lifestyle choices & commitment to minimal consumption, Much of their argument is poorly stated, fanatic & disruptive.

GrannySquare

Somewhere on the World of Data site is a set of graphs that show what produces the most emissions. Aviation does contribute something BUT the overwhelming mass is from industrialising by India, China & other large nations.

Whilst we may choose not to undertake leisure aviation, or be taxed or prohibited, to reduce aeroplane emissions, overall what we do as domestic consumers barely moves the dial.

Eating The Rich & their use of private planes also will not considerably reduce the level of emissions, what it does do is expose their hypocrisy & shallow thinking. Elton John, Prince Harry & Emma Thompson et al, I am looking at you…

what we do as domestic consumers barely moves the dial

As we and other nations import so much of what we use from countries like China, basically because it is cheap, I don't think we can shrug off all responsibility for their emissions.

Ziplok

Not to derail the thread at all, but where do you get this information from Baggs, ie deaths from climate disasters have reduced by 98% over the last century, and how do you back up your claim that climate change is not very, very serious? Is there something we can read that backs your assertions? I’m asking genuinely.

Just Google have deaths due to climate change lessened over the last 100 years there are many articles from different sources.

It seems that Cressie & her legal team presented their reasoning in her defence & requests for mitigation in sentencing e.g I am too clever/talented/ young/girly/ musical/ upper middle class/am not too well etc
Seriously?
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Back to Cressie…

I tried to copy/paste the Judge’s comments but no joy. so here are some relevant screenshots. Sections 72 onwards.

It seems that Cressie & her legal team presented their reasoning in her defence & requests for mitigation in sentencing e.g I am too clever/talented/young/girly/musical/upper middle class/am not too well etc.

Quite rightly, the Judge addressed these arguments & Cressie’s own comments in court, & stated that none of those matters stopped her joining in the conspiracy & committing the disruptions - both criminal offences - so she would be sentenced accordingly.

Earlier in the Judge’s summary, he does state that considerable guidance was taken from other legal bodies, implying that the legal reasoning is sound.

I think that there is little room to wriggle through an appeal. But I am not a lawyer or legal trained so I watch with interest.

Somewhere on the World of Data site is a set of graphs that show what produces the most emissions. Aviation does contribute something BUT the overwhelming mass is from industrialising by India, China & other large nations.

Whilst we may choose not to undertake leisure aviation, or be taxed or prohibited, to reduce aeroplane emissions, overall what we do as domestic consumers barely moves the dial.

Eating The Rich & their use of private planes also will not considerably reduce the level of emissions, what it does do is expose their hypocrisy & shallow thinking. Elton John, Prince Harry & Emma Thompson et al, I am looking at you…

I’ve no time for people telling me I shouldn’t fly when thousands of people have private jets which they use at a moment’s notice.
It's often the people who have or use private jets who are telling the rest of us we shouldn't fly.