A just stop oil protester is going to miss her brothers wedding now that she has been locked up.

rafichagran

Maddy genuine question, did you not fly to New Zealand to see your daughter? If I have mixed you up I apologise.
One person's reason for flying should not be compared to another. My partner has just flown long haul to see his family, how else would he see them. Also if people save and want a holiday and need to fly, why should they not do so.

Yes rafichagran, we did fly to New Zealand to visit our daughter and her children. And as long as she stays there and we are able, we will continue to do so. In fact we’re hoping that our daughter and the children will be flying to visit us this Christmas.
I’ve no time for people telling me I shouldn’t fly when thousands of people have private jets which they use at a moment’s notice.
And something else that is rarely mentioned is that new technology is making flying much cleaner, and hopefully in the future it will be cleaner still.

rafichagran

Maddy genuine question, did you not fly to New Zealand to see your daughter? If I have mixed you up I apologise.
One person's reason for flying should not be compared to another. My partner has just flown long haul to see his family, how else would he see them. Also if people save and want a holiday and need to fly, why should they not do so.

I think that's what maddyone said.

Maddy genuine question, did you not fly to New Zealand to see your daughter? If I have mixed you up I apologise.
One person's reason for flying should not be compared to another. My partner has just flown long haul to see his family, how else would he see them. Also if people save and want a holiday and need to fly, why should they not do so.

We're all concerned about climate change @rubysong. Not one of us would say we like it. But I wonder if your WI speaker ever goes anywhere by road? Or takes a plane? Or has a mobile phone (the plastics etc in them and the transport costs). The problem is, that the modern lives of all of us rely on things which contribute to climate change and we can't revert to the stone age. Manufacturing in Britain has been outsourced to China and their contribution to climate change has rocketed. No one has an answer to this....(but remember that during the Roman era, Britain was so warm that we grew grapes in our own vineyards - so perhaps temperature fluctuations are normal)

Yes, she should have realised the inconvenience and drastic rearrangements thousands had to make because of her actions..

Disgraceful actions that caused such devastating problems and even heartache for so many other people and now they are moaning about missing a wedding. Do they really have no idea of the trouble they have caused for so many others? They deserve a prison sentence which is not something I would advocate for most people. I only hope they and their fellow conspirators learn from this.

Is the Bride and Groom departing the Church in a 'Carriage and Four' ? And the honeymoon is in the same United Kingdom country, naturally.....absolutely NO travel by a vehicle powered with an Internal Combustion Engine, and if considering using an Aeroplane to travel abroad......
And let's hope the happy couple do NOT send the jailbird a "Wish you were here" card.

I’d let them out for the day for their important family occasions … Drop them off 150 miles away and instruct them to WALK VERY SLOWLY to the venue I’d pay to watch that .

Not to derail the thread at all, but where do you get this information from Baggs, ie deaths from climate disasters have reduced by 98% over the last century, and how do you back up your claim that climate change is not very, very serious? Is there something we can read that backs your assertions? I’m asking genuinely.

maddyone

Perhaps the many thousands of owners of private jets could be targeted, and not the people who save all year to be able to go on holiday via an EasyJet plane.

Politicians are telling the truth. We are all aware of climate change. I think the speaker who came to the WI meeting sounds somewhat like the Just Stop Oil protesters. Maybe she’s a member.

Couldn’t agree more. Too many wealthy and privileged preach to the ‘lesser mortals’’, then get in their first-class jet seats, massive cars, houses, et al.
Show, don’t tell.

But let's not derail the thread. I agree with the majority on here that protesters who cause damage to others should suffer the consequences.

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Baggs

We all know that climate change is very, very serious

It isn't.

Baggs obviously doesn't live a flood-prone area or one hit by weather catastrophes. Anyone who can live comfortably above water level and away from hurricanes or bush fires will be OK - they're all right Jack.
Personally I'm safe from the weather - though I hate the heatwaves that are increasing every year. But many, many millions of people all over the world are suffering natural disasters and dying because of conditions that are completely beyond their control. They usually don't have the money to move to safer places and will simply die in droughts, floods, typhoons, fires and famines.

Deaths from climate disasters have reduced by 98% over the least century.

I think what we need is education not these ridiculous protests. If people protest and by so doing break the law then they should pay the price, just like anybody else who breaks the law.

Well said, Rosie51. The protesters should be targeting their ire at those countries which are causing massive pollution instead of ordinary people. As someone else commented on this thread, you don't see them popping over to China and gluing themselves to the roads there, do you?

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maddyone

Perhaps the many thousands of owners of private jets could be targeted, and not the people who save all year to be able to go on holiday via an EasyJet plane.

Politicians are telling the truth. We are all aware of climate change. I think the speaker who came to the WI meeting sounds somewhat like the Just Stop Oil protesters. Maybe she’s a member.

Anyone who takes unecessary flights should stop doing it, be they private jet users or holidaymakers. I don't care if they have saved all year, people rarely speak about the pollution caused by planes.
Obviously every plane is polluting the atmosphere but many of us who live under flight paths can actually also see fuel being dumped.
I should add that I am not a barmy Just Stop Oil or XR person, just a normal human being who doesns't want the planet to be polluted any more.
And I no longer fly.

And I no longer fly.

So you have flown in the past? And no doubt enjoyed the results of flying.
What constitutes an unnecessary flight or a necessary flight?
I have a son who lives with his wife and family in the country of her birth. I cannot walk, cycle or even take the train to get there, I have to fly if I want to physically hug them. Does my once a year flight count as necessary or unnecessary? Perhaps you feel I just shouldn't ever see them again?
Private jets have a vastly bigger carbon footprint per passenger than a commercial airline, so should be the first to have their wings clipped.
Just because I still want to make one flight per year doesn't mean I don't care about the planet and do my best in all other areas.

This news has ruined my weekend and I am searching for my tiny violin.

Baggs

*We all know that climate change is very, very serious*

It isn't.

Baggs obviously doesn't live a flood-prone area or one hit by weather catastrophes. Anyone who can live comfortably above water level and away from hurricanes or bush fires will be OK - they're all right Jack.
Personally I'm safe from the weather - though I hate the heatwaves that are increasing every year. But many, many millions of people all over the world are suffering natural disasters and dying because of conditions that are completely beyond their control. They usually don't have the money to move to safer places and will simply die in droughts, floods, typhoons, fires and famines.

maddyone

Perhaps the many thousands of owners of private jets could be targeted, and not the people who save all year to be able to go on holiday via an EasyJet plane.

Politicians are telling the truth. We are all aware of climate change. I think the speaker who came to the WI meeting sounds somewhat like the Just Stop Oil protesters. Maybe she’s a member.

Anyone who takes unecessary flights should stop doing it, be they private jet users or holidaymakers. I don't care if they have saved all year, people rarely speak about the pollution caused by planes.
Obviously every plane is polluting the atmosphere but many of us who live under flight paths can actually also see fuel being dumped.
I should add that I am not a barmy Just Stop Oil or XR person, just a normal human being who doesns't want the planet to be polluted any more.
And I no longer fly.

I was going to put something critical about JSO, and Extinction Rebellion, their utter stupidity, and indeed the glaring hypocrisy of their leaders, but I see the vast majority have already posted just that!!

I read the other day that apparently we (UK) are one of the world leaders in finding alternative tech to reduce emissions, and finding new solutions to those age-old problems.

It's also quite apparent that nobody from JSO has yet bicycled across to Beijing to glue themselves to a main road over THERE -- why not we wonder?

Oh, and we'd better hope that Chump doesn't win in November, he's been promising to burn more oil and use more coal (a couple of 'Swing States' have some coal mining) as soon as he takes the Oath ("I Donald Chump, solemnly swear to promote the interests of me and my family as soon as I can get my backside in the White House, and screw everyone else, like I said 20 years ago, it's poor people's fault they're poor, they're stupid").

Good… they caused so much disruption to so many!

Just serves her right she should have thought about doing whatever

Baggs

*We all know that climate change is very, very serious*

It isn't.

Interested in your comment, Baggs - tell us more?

Ziplock, as we plan for a family wedding, you ask a very good question at 14:04.

GrannySquare

For those of you who like to munch data &/or lean upon fact rather than cultish dogma, the World of Data website offer may be of interest.

ourworldindata.org/co2-and-greenhouse-gas-emissions?insight=there-are-large-differences-in-emissions-across-the-world#key-insights

The UK has & continues to reduce use fossil fuels & the clear upward trend of use lies with the rapidly expanding economies of countries such as China & India.

I might be more impressed by the JSO protestors if they pitched up outside the Chinese & other relevant embassies in the UK to make their voices heard, or popped over to said nations to make their case outside their democratic parliaments & Govt institutions.

They would be arrested as most of these countries are not as tolerant as the UK. Serves them right. A strong message needed to be sent. Well done, judge.