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I have recently been away with a long standing male friend with whom I share common interests and hobbies for a weekend break. Generally when we meet up for days out together we take it in turns to pay for meals out, entry fees etc, and it balances out fairly evenly, but on this occasion I was surprised to be presented upon our return with a hand written ' statement of account' of our joint expenditure to the exact penny (save that one meal I paid for had been missed off, presumably an oversight ) .
I was perturbed at the otherwise accurate account and the suggestion of one of us ( him) owed me £17.85. This amount was on a total expenditure of just over £400 between us. The trip was on the basis of sharing expenses but I had not expected the expenditure to be monitored to the exact penny.
Is this a red flag in a possible long term relationship ( but not marriage) with this man as I suspect he is expecting me to agree to further trips.
.One of the reason I divorced my husband, was (among many other reasons) , his general meanness.
I have always considered my friend to be frugal and careful with money but the careful watch on my spending has unsettled me What do others think, AIBU and how would you broach the subject or would you just let it go?
For reference, we both enjoyed the trip and our monthly incomes are currently similar ( his is higher at the moment as he is working part time) but he has considerably more in assets.
Frugal.
I'm trying to see how he is mean if he actually paid you money.
It's a bit odd that on this trip he submitted a statement and tried to ensure no one was diddled. What do you think made him do it this time?
Do you think the £17.85 was the money he owed you for the meal you paid for, but you said he had forgotten that meal I think. Did he give you the 17.85. Did he give you the exact money? Or need change ?
It’s all very nit picky . You say you have known him a long time, has he always been like this?
Have you spoken to him. It’s a shame if you get on and have similar interests but if he is as careful of his pennies as this you might need to consider where you go from here.
I think he was being frugal and I kind of question his error. Someone who produces accounts doesn’t generally make mistakes because, if nothing else, they are methodical.
Keep him as a friend for occasional meet ups but I see a red flag here. In my experience tight people get tighter as time goes on!
That's very 'off', what is he thinking of. Pay him £20 - say no more about it and be too busy with other things to spend any more time with him. If he cares at all about you, it will be up to him to explain. If not, you've saved yourself becoming over invested in him.
CRIKEY! I would perhaps email him back and say 'I think you missed off the meal I paid for" that should even things out. Why don't you ask him why, all of a sudden, he has done this, there might be a reason for it, especially if this has never happened before.
He sounds a right fun sponge.
I’d run a mile personally.
Don't just let this go. Sit the man down and explain as you have here, that you were suprised to be presented with a detailed account, as you assumed that your usual agreement about paying things in turn would be used this time. Ask him why the change and see what he says. And point out, that he has left a meal you paid for out of his careful audit!
You talked about days out - does this mean that you have never before been away together for a whole weekend or other overnight stay?
I don't know if this is relevant, but it might be.
A lot of us are feeling the pinch, due to inflation and rising prices, could this be the case with your friend.
But discuss it with him - there is no point in putting the discussion off, as by doing so, you could be thought by him to be tacitly agreeing to a new arrangement.
If you enjoy his company, it strikes me as being a little drastic to drop him because of this, and unkind, unless you explain that you are deeply offended by this behaviour on his part.
Get rid of him
If the man was mean, I think he'd have worked things out and as he owes money, he'd have said nothing. However, if you don't feel comfortable asking him why he thought this was a good idea, I'd suggest he wasn't for you. Or, you are not for him! You can also ask him at the same time if he would like things to work out in future. Any successful relationship relies on people being open and honest with each other whether it is a friendship or more.
Like many of the posters upthread I have mainly used a PAYG kitty purse for mutual expenses when we were together as we would tend to spend similar on meals. When apart we each met out own separate expenses. I could not be bothered with a "your meal cost 2 euros more than mine" approach. However if it were 10-20 euros I would want to even it out.
Presenting you with a statement of account seems a bt odd and I would definitely comment upon this and your preference for the previous arrangement. If he is just a "holiday companion" rather than a long term partner it will depend upon how you feel about the financial arrangement.
He sounds very ‘calculating’ and mean. Very unattractive traits.
When someone isn’t generous (and often people who don’t have the money are generous to a fault, just because they are warm hearted), it can erode your feelings until you actively dislike them and avoid them.
I speak from experience.
Make a list of plus’s and minuses for this person before you continue the relationship.
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There is an app that can do all the calculations for you if you so wish, this is something we use when we go away en masse with family, but none of us are worried by small amounts one way or the other in the end. Can’t stand meanness so I would be having a chat with him before going forward with this relationship.
I concur...give him the heave ho!
I agree...red flag for me!
Its not really mean, more frugal, but he doesn't sound like the sort of person to be swept away on a tidal wave of passion.
I suppose it depends on what you're looking for.
Get rid! Life is too short to be haggling over stuff like this. My first husband was like that and it makes life miserable.
I have an allergy to folks that are mean.
My friends husband is mean about absolutely everything.
Frugal is good mean is horrid.
My thoughts on your friend are that he’s possibly not wanting you to think he’s taking advantage. (Thus giving you an accurate breakdown, indicating you’ve overpaid) A meanie wouldn’t do that!!
I’d have a chat with him just to ensure he’s not a meanie ( Oh I do hope he’s just careful)
He may just eventually be the careful love of your life - have a chat!
I think you should speak to him and ask why the sudden change to your usual cost sharing. Is there a reason for this sudden change? Let him know you're uncomfortable with such account keeping/penny pinching and decide together if there's a better way to sort out any future trips - that's if you want to carry on the relationship.
It is a big red flag. It will continue for the rest of your relationship if you were hoping that your relationship was going somewhere. I would keep the relationship casual and not exclusive.
Maybe he is getting a bit hard up, which made him check out who had paid what. He was surprised you had paid more but then felt he ought to give what he owed.
You could say something like, Aren't things getting expensive! I am having to cut back quite a bit, and see what his reaction is.
If you are happy to divide costs equally and not quibble about slight differences there is a great app called split share. You each add what you pay for and it balances it out so you settle up with each other at the end.
Run as fast as you can, he's mean. If he;s like this now I guess he could be very controlling if you married or in a committed relationship. Otherwise, have a kitty and don't overspend, but I'd give him the heave-ho a.s.a.p.
Sent an account showing that he owed the OP money though…
And I would think missing out the other meal she paid for was an oversight, as he’d no need to draw up the account at all.
He may be pernickety (and I’d agree that’s not an attractive trait), but he’s not being mean, imho.
If this makes you uncomfortable then , I would call it a day .
A simple oversight -and you are sent an account ?
It doesn't bode well for the future, does it ?
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