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Caleo Thu 26-Jun-25 13:18:17

AIBU to not expect Gransnetters to be interested in AI danger?

Elegran Thu 26-Jun-25 18:26:06

I don't know. Facebook no longer does factchecking. There is an option to report posts, but only by ticking one of a selection of reasons, and no way of adding a detail. I have reported posts full of misinformation, but the "facts" they were misrepresenting have still reappeared in other posts. Once a "fact" has been seen and believed by others, it is very difficult to uproot it like a weed from the public consciousness. It has already seeded.

Whiff Thu 26-Jun-25 18:57:49

Caleo if you just put AI as a title you will get confused posts .

So what do you mean will AI be used to use as a weapon against other countries like nuclear bombs or to de stabilise a countries economy ?

Caleo Fri 27-Jun-25 10:37:50

Yes Whiff,AI is being used as a weapon by regimes. I do not know if the UK or the US uses AI unethically , or not. I hope not.

I'm instinctively patriotic. However the UK is not squeaky clean. It's alleged that aeroplanes carrying US prisoners for rendition were permitted to refuel at Prestwick, we have been sending parts for weapons to Israel, and the bombing of Dresden was deplorable.

Cossy Fri 27-Jun-25 10:40:05

I feel the same way about AI as do the internet.

Some great positives and some real downsides.

Keeping up to date with developments and knowledge will help a to keep safe and to embrace the good stuff

Caleo Fri 27-Jun-25 10:41:10

From ChatGPT

"Defensive AI use is well-established and growing (surveillance, logistics, cybersecurity).

Offensive AI use is more limited, controlled, and subject to ethical and legal frameworks.

The UK does not currently deploy AI-powered lethal autonomous weapons but is exploring advanced capabilities with human oversight. "

Caleo Fri 27-Jun-25 10:45:59

I agree with Cossy that we all need to be educated in uses and abuses of artificial intelligence, including its use as a tool for keeping informed about all manner of things from how to clean bathroom tiles to political philosophy

Whiff Fri 27-Jun-25 11:31:12

Caleo so was the bombing of Coventry by the Germans . My family come from Smethwick originally near Birmingham and were bombed night after night. My mom started work at 14 in Phillip's bicycle factory but during the war they made bullets for accak guns I know that's not spelt correctly but can't think the right way at the moment . They worked 24 hours a day 12 hour shifts my mom ran through the black out risking being killed . My dad fought in Burma,Indian ,Egypt and was parachuted into Naples with no training just hooked up to a cable that opened the shute as the SM pushed them out of the plane saying bend your knees when you land .

The second world war has no comparison with the weapons of today so why mention Dresden .

Drones can be send 100's of miles away to bomb places .
AI is something to fear but not just for destroying people and countries . But it can cause economical destruction as much as any bomb .

Elegran Fri 27-Jun-25 11:36:14

We all also need to keep up our knowledge of how it can be (and is being) used to flood the internet (where we now search for information to answer all kinds of questions, from how to boil an egg to what kind of personal and professional history is avalable on a candidate for election to political power.) With AI able to access so much data already on the net to legitimately answer the innocuous questions, and vested interests controlling that content via AI, it is all to easy for facts and figures to be massaged with a few keystrokes and distributed far and wide.

Elegran Fri 27-Jun-25 11:42:01

Too easy, not to easy.

Elegran Fri 27-Jun-25 11:44:50

"Offensive AI use is more limited, controlled, and subject to ethical and legal frameworks." until some maverick or group decides that ethical and legal frameworks don't apply to them.

petra Fri 27-Jun-25 16:58:31

It’s not all bad.

www.facebook.com/reel/1427217081634263

Barbadosbelle Sat 28-Jun-25 16:14:03

.

You don't get irony then?
Are you American!

FranP Sat 28-Jun-25 18:50:04

So, hopefully we are all wise enough to verify anything that Insta, FB or TikTok has to say already.

AI in Google is just a summary of all that, but it also includes govt website links and Wiki info, so can be a shortcut, but hopefully we all verify the same way.

It is really good for redesign - you can change the colours on images, and for image searching.

However, like ALL tools, the danger is that folks rely on them to make decisions instead of simply using them as indicators - but we have been doing that since computers became prevalent.

foxie48 Sat 28-Jun-25 19:36:43

The Times "Story" podcast was excellent yesterday, "One day in the life of an AI chatbot". I found it quite scary but really worth listening to. Do we really understand what we are creating? tbh I'm not sure we do.

Skydancer Sat 28-Jun-25 20:55:13

AI is seriously scary in the wrong hands. And it WILL get into the wrong hands. I’ve long wondered how the world will end. Nuclear war? Global warming? No, it’ll be AI. That’s for sure.

win Sat 28-Jun-25 21:50:10

Whiff

Caleo if you just put AI as a title you will get confused posts .

So what do you mean will AI be used to use as a weapon against other countries like nuclear bombs or to de stabilise a countries economy ?

Absolutely this AI covers so many different things. I use AI for work, to do grant applications, to write letters and so much more, it is brilliant. AI can be a hundred things, you need to make yourself clear what you are talking about OP.

Elegran Sun 29-Jun-25 10:13:13

Oreo

AI is here to stay, I think we can all comprehend the dangers and the positives of it.What it does need is regulation.

Artificial Intelligence (I wish its initials were not the same as those of artificial insemination) has immense power for good and ill, and power without responsibility is a dangerous weapon.

On the side of the angels, AI can absorb factual information and categorise the data and search through it for statistics and conclusions in nano-seconds which would take a human being a lifetime of work. It can carry out a surgical operation more accurately than a top surgeon, and do it from thousands of miles away. It can operate a vast warehouse using automatic vehicles that locate items, retrieve them, pack and despatch them. It can manufacture items from basic materials to finished product.

All of these require the AI system to have minute information in the form of a database of the measurements, spatial co-ordinates, chemical nature, functions, and so on of what it is physically working with, or of the theoretical base and the history of the philosophies and debates which it is analysing for a decision on a political change or the previous history of an individual for whom it is planning to pursue a criminal charge.

However, it makes draconian decisions, and can't be questioned on them, reminding me of the definition of a bureaucratic committee - it has no heart to appeal to and no backside to kick.

These databases have been created, assembled, added to and stored by human hands, with all the potential for mistakes, omissions, unremoved out-of-date facts, and bias or downright malice on the part of the collator. Then, once they have digested by the AI system, they become part of the system's "reality". - on which life-or-death decisions are made.

A national police force is also a power for good or evil, but in most countries there are restraints on how that power is exercised, so that it can't be used as an instrument of political oppression, and internationally, there are restraints on how one country can use its army to control a separate country.

However, AI is invisible. It doesn't roll up at 3 am in an unmarked car to arrest a sleeping family on a charge of some vague misdemeanor and shut them up, never to be seen again. It doesn't fly above the clouds in a formation of military jets and bomb the bejasus out of a foreign country. It doesn't rob banks and carry sacks of money and jewels to a robber baron's hideout. Yet those who control the data which fuels the country's AI systems and the programming by which the AI engines run can achieve the same results, by influencing the assumptions on which votes are cast and decisions made.

In the service of the propaganda department, AI (or rather, the users of it) can manipulate the masses of images, videos texts, articles, that have been collected and use them to win the hearts and minds of the population of the country it wishes to control. There are more ways than one to control the views, allegiances, votes and particularly the spending power of a population. In these days of almost instant global trade, it isn't necessary to invade a country physically to plunder its wealth and resources. You can do it while they sit watching TV or surfing the web.

Buttonjugs Sun 29-Jun-25 10:13:14

I marvel at the AI videos on social media that show situations that just aren’t possible. For example, a dog, cat, rabbit and bird peacefully sitting in front of a fireplace together. It’s obvious to me that it’s AI but the amount of people who are fooled! Comments like “what a beautiful video, showing the love between animals.”

Elegran Sun 29-Jun-25 10:15:18

Sorry that is so long. It started as agreement with Oreo and somehow turned into almost an article. I'm not even dressed yet.

foxie48 Sun 29-Jun-25 11:08:31

AI is only as good as the data though. I recently used the AI dermatology service which is used by the NHS in my area. I have high resolution photos taken of two areas of skin that the GP was concerned about. Within two weeks I had been assessed and had an appointment with a human dermatology consultant who assessed the two areas in literally two minutes. The AI results were completely wrong. What was assessed as a fairly benign pre cancerous area on the bridge of my nose was in fact basal cell carcinoma, the area on my arm was not squamous cell carcinoma needing urgent treatment but it did get me in front of a dermatologist quite quickly. I've had the bcc removed privately as the NHS wait was at least 9 months, in which time there was a risk I would have needed much more invasive surgery. AI will be a huge help in medical diagnosis but it certainly isn't perfect (FWIW my GP diagnosed correctly).

Elegran Sun 29-Jun-25 11:46:07

That isn't data, though, foxie That is the machine's analysis of what it saw. The photographs are the data. - the raw material on which the analysis is done.

Facebook is full of photographs - genuine ones taken in the many years since photography was first invented. Photographers have always been selective in what they photographed, and what angle they stood at at take the picture. In the wet darkroom they emphasised some parts with more light and put others into shadow, and they could manipulate images with double exposures and other techniques. however, the manipulation took time and skill, as did the reproduction of pictures. Then with digital cameras there were photographs edited in Photoshop and other apps, these were faster to do and came with readymade effects and techniques.

AI "photography" is as far ahead of Photoshop as Photoshop is of a Box Brownie and a roll of Kodak film. The AI apps can take a few snaps of someone and turn them into a video of them ten years older or younger, in different clothes, chatting to someone else copied from an existing image (or invented) and put words and opinions into the conversation that neither of them ever said in real life. Also an AI caption can be completely mistaken about what is being pictured in a scene, .

The results are twofold - that the cloned "deepfakes" are believed by many to be real, which can smear the people in them and cost them their jobs, reputations and lives, and that people then don't believe real photographic records - or handwritten contemporary accounts - of things that happened in the past, or videos of atrocities being committed.

fancythat Sun 29-Jun-25 11:46:54

Sorry for what you went through foxie48.
I am not at all suprised it was wrong in the area of dermatology.
I am under a dermatology Consultant.
That area of medicine in the NHS is serioulsly flawed. In my opinion. In lots of different ways.
Or perhaps it is nor as advanced as some areas of medicine.

fancythat Sun 29-Jun-25 11:48:21

Another area in which AI may be dangerous, is the world of online dating.
In an area where people are already not that honest, another level of dishonesty has been created.

foxie48 Sun 29-Jun-25 17:42:43

"AI training data is a collection of information used to teach AI models to make accurate predictions or decisions. This data can include labeled images, text documents, audio recordings, and sensor data. The quality and quantity of training data are crucial for the accuracy and efficiency of AI models" AI generated!

Mt61 Sun 29-Jun-25 18:05:36

butterandjam

Most of us are too old to get pregnant. Though my door is always open to George Clooney

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