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Von58 Wed 07-Jan-26 23:05:45

AIBU to have a moan about dogs being everywhere and getting on my nerves? Well, not the poor dogs, they don't choose where they are but the current trend of owners expecting to be allowed to take dogs everywhere? They are taken into clothes shops. Ebay used to state "from a smoke free pet free home" on clothing sales. Now it seems to be acceptable to take dogs - even wet smelly dogs, into clothing stores. They are allowed into almost all pubs and resaurants , certainly where I live. The only dog free zone here, where I live, is Wetherspoons. Enough said about choice. Waiting staff handle dog water bowls and stroke dogs and then continue to handle glasses and food plates.
And trying to choose a dog free hotel seems impossible. I don't want a hotel room carpet smelling "doggy". We recently stayed in a lovely place overnight and at breakfast, a couple walked in with 2 boisterous dogs who jumped up on me at breakfast and licked my hand as I was eating. I don't hate dogs, I've had two lovely dogs who lived a long time, but would not dream of presuming that everyone else loves them too.
Dog owners may say they prefer their dogs to people/ children/ babies. But they seem to be the childless ones.
AIBU in hating this current trend of everywhere being dog "friendly"?
Let's have a nice discussion!

Tenko Thu 08-Jan-26 19:21:19

Bukkie

I am terrified of dogs and my life has been really restricted in recent years by the influx of dogs in shops, cafés and pubs. It's no good saying don't go to places that allow dogs because it is virtually impossible to find somewhere that is dog free. And it is increasingly difficult to find holiday cottages that are dog free.

I love dogs and currently have a Labrador and sometimes struggle to find hotels and accommodation which is dog friendly. I put pets allowed on various websites and the list of properties gets halved .
Dog owners get charged extra per dog , for the extra cleaning .
Dog friendly hotels often don’t allow dogs in dining rooms , so we eat in the bar area . You’re also not allowed to leave your dog in your room alone , ditto for cottages or static mobile homes . So if you’re on holiday you have to take your dog with you , hence so many dogs in tourist areas .
Our dog is well behaved and goes into pubs if we’re out for the day or in our local pub after a walk . In pubs he sits under a table and doesn’t bother anyone. Often other pub customers have been surprised to see him as he’s so quiet.
I don’t take him into shops or on public transport as I’m aware not everyone likes dogs .

bikergran Thu 08-Jan-26 19:37:48

Last year was in LLandudno, there was a cafe towards the end of the pier. Woman who was having some toast or something , put the plate down on the floor for her dog to finish off!
Yes the same plate that someone has to eat off later!! This was out side where you could sit.

Needless to say we did not use that cafe.

I have seen others where the dog is sat on a chair almost eating from the table( not at the same cafe)

ViceVersa Thu 08-Jan-26 20:55:57

bikergran, I've already said I would never do that, but I do have a friend who has two Shih Tzus and she does exactly that - lets them sit at the table in cafes and eat from her plate. It's completely wrong and something I hate to see. She takes them everywhere with her (yes, into shops too - even sitting in the supermarket trolley), dresses them up and treats them like babies. It does my head in.

Bukkie Thu 08-Jan-26 22:46:47

Tenko - You sound very considerate for a dog owner and appreciate others don't feel the same way but sadly you are in a minority. Most dog owners seem to think everyone should love their pooch and cannot understand that it's unhygienic to have them in places that serve food. And they always say, " He/She is friendly and won't harm you." I have no desire to be friends with the dog and I am absolutely terrified of them not just uncomfortable around them.

Allira Thu 08-Jan-26 23:08:44

ViceVersa

*bikergran*, I've already said I would never do that, but I do have a friend who has two Shih Tzus and she does exactly that - lets them sit at the table in cafes and eat from her plate. It's completely wrong and something I hate to see. She takes them everywhere with her (yes, into shops too - even sitting in the supermarket trolley), dresses them up and treats them like babies. It does my head in.

She takes them everywhere with her (yes, into shops too - even sitting in the supermarket trolley), dresses them up and treats them like babies.
I'd be complaining to the manager.
It's bad enough seeing children sitting in the trolleys (not the toddler seat). Yuk.

Grammaretto Thu 08-Jan-26 23:49:16

I agree that there are too many dogs particularly being treated as though they are human. Taken everywhere on those extending leads.

I suppose I would be more annoyed if the same dogs were left at home and barked all day.

My father's family were farmers. Dogs were working dogs who sleep in kennels, not in beds in bedrooms.

I volunteer in a community café. A couple of years ago it was decided to allow dogs inside in one area on a trial basis.
They are still allowed and now the special area is for those who don't want dogs!

Recently a couple came in with a dog the size of a small pony.

I was bitten at the café by a dog. The bite became infected and I needed 2 courses of antibiotics. The owner was very upset and apologetic. She was told to muzzle the dog and I haven't seen it since. But one of these days a small child will be bitten which would be dreadful.

Like others here, I don't dislike dogs but I feel dog owners entitled attitude has gone too far.

Rosie51 Fri 09-Jan-26 00:02:06

People that have cats as pets don't take them on holidays etc they pay to board them at excellent catteries., a sort of 'hotel' for cats where they are cared for. It may come as a huge surprise but there are places called kennels that are 'hotels' for dogs while their owners are absent. A relative has often availed themself of this facility. While their much loved pet is at the facility they get daily videos and updates about his day, feeding and exercise routine etc. They even occasionally use 'doggy daycare' if they are needing to be absent for the best part of a whole day. It's a bit like using childcare facilities for a much loved child when one is unable to provide personal care.

OldFrill Fri 09-Jan-26 01:07:45

We leave our dog home with an Amex card and a mobile phone when we're cruising the world. . . . If only we'd known about kennels.

Rosie51 Fri 09-Jan-26 01:39:32

Well now you do OldFrill, so glad your pet didn't run up huge bills on the Amex card, or use more data and minutes than allowed on your mobile plan. Obviously you have brought him/her up well, congratulations 🥂🥂🥂

LaCrepescule Fri 09-Jan-26 06:22:09

Ridiculous comments about how much dogs smell. And the one about them sniffing eachother because they smell🙄
It’s because their sense of smell is far, far superior to ours.

Sara1954 Fri 09-Jan-26 06:33:23

We have avoided our local pub for the last few years because of their dogs can go anywhere policy, possibly not so bad in the bar, but horrible in the restaurant..
We went to another pub in the nearby town with our grandchildren, they has a whole dog area with revolting looking sofas, and an actual dog menu!
I’m sorry, I don’t hate dogs, but I don’t love them either, and I object to having to negotiate them wherever I go.

Pleasebenice Fri 09-Jan-26 07:35:37

Totally agree! Poor dogs in busy places. Owners think it is funny when their dog jumps up or begs for food in restaurants. Dogs are tolerated more than children. Train them to be alone for short periods! Leave them at home.

RosiesMawagain Fri 09-Jan-26 07:36:39

I hope having a rant about dogs has made some people feel better.
But they didn’t ask to be petted and babied by their indulgent owners, taken into pubs or shops or all the things moaned about.
They’re just a dog and in my experience, trusting, loyal,a source of comfort when grief is around and for the lonely, someone to come home to and who doesn’t give you a earful when you pour out your woes.
Compared to Trump, ICE, the economy, the weather and all the awful things happening at home and all round the world,dogs are hardly the main issue - or are they?
TG Rosie can’t read.

seasider Fri 09-Jan-26 07:36:39

Last night I was at a local retail park . I watched a couple and dog come out of Pets at Home which ,understandably, allows dogs in. They then tried to enter Hobbycraft, Dunhelm Mill and Poundland and were refused entry . I am not sure why they thought taking a dog shopping at 7pm was a good idea !

Calendargirl Fri 09-Jan-26 07:40:47

TG Rosie can’t read

I’m sure some owners think they can, probably the ones who give them Christmas presents to open, take them into cafes with dog menus, …..

madeleine45 Fri 09-Jan-26 07:56:44

I have not owned dogs because I knew I would be travelling and living abroad and thought it would not be fair to have a dog and then leave it behind. But many of my family did have both dogs and cats and my granny who had a farm, was well known to be very good with dogs and not only had her own ones but would be asked advice by people on their animals and the police would sometimes bring her a dog to look after etc etc., so have been round them all my life.

As you say there are far more dogs around since covid. The problem is that people have got an animal in that time, but have not been able to meet other dog owners and socialize etc and learn by good example how they should be treating their dogs or meeting others with or without a dog.

Fortunately (or unfortunately depending who you are ) I have been a teacher and head of various departments and an eldest, so I mind my own business normally but where I see a problem I speak out. Firstly as others say it is not the dogs but their owners , who really need training. I go to Cafe Nero locally where dogs are allowed and the great majority of dogs and dog owners are very well behaved, so dogs are sat quietly and out of the way of people and staff passing tables. However one day I was there and there was a young women talking to a friend across the table and her small terrier type dog was constantly barking and making a noise. Other dogs who were usually fine were getting restless and you could hardly hear yourself speak if you were in a table close to her. She took no notice at all of the dog, simply ignoring it and talking to her friend. I went across and asked her to take her dog outside, calm it down and then bring it back in. I deliberately stood a little closer to her than you would normally, did not blink and just remained there quietly waiting for an answer. She obviously found that a bit intimidating, glanced round and saw many people looking at her , and muttered oh sorry, took the dog out and did as I suggested, and came back in with a quieter dog. I said thankyou and returned to my seat.

On another occasion I saw a woman pour some tea or coffee into a saucer and prepare to put it on the floor for her dog to use. I immediately said "Please do not put something a human uses for your dog to use. They have dog bowls for water if you want here. She replied that it wouldnt do any harm and it would be being washed up anyway. I told her that if she did use it I would speak to the staff and complain. That what she did in her home was her concern but that in a public place , especially where there were water bowls available for dogs , she should not do it. She huffed but at least did not carry on but got a dog bowl. I said that it was not fair for her to do such a thing as other people might not say anything but may not come back to the cafe if they saw such behaviour.

The worst things I find is not in cafes but the wretched owners who have their dogs on long leads and dont check where they are or shorten them in busy streets etc. I have complained to one local man who wanders down the high street looking in shop windows with no idea where his dog is or checking for the safety of people passing.

I might say that in the cafes etc I have also spoken to noisy children running about too. But I have a couple of tricks that I can do with my hands and also am quite good at making paper ships and aeroplanes ,so can often get them interested in doing something more interesting. When my son was very young I always chose a seat where he was unable to get out without passing me, and usually had a small book or pad with crayons with me to give him something to do. We are not good in this country about taking children out to restaurants, and they then do not learn how to socialise and enjoy meals out. When I lived abroad there was no problem with children being there. Normally they would get a small portion of whatever food was on offer and not be offered the appalling diet of fish fingers or beef burgers etc . so learnt to try many things, and meet lots of people of all ages.

I have occasionally had snappy comments back from dog owners or parents, but in the majority of cases things have improved after I have spoken to people and sometimes they genuinely dont seem to have noticed the effect their pets or children have had on others. I always thank them if they respond sensibly and intend to carry on speaking out when I feel it is necessary.

The cafe owners are in a difficult situation re dogs or no dogs, if they do not have a big enough area to be able to separate the groups and in this difficult time obviously do not want to turn customers away, but yet they will lose customers , when those who do not like dogs or at least dont want dogs disturbing them in the cafe, and it is the responsibilty of the dog owners to be aware of the owners situation and behave in a decent way, and think of others and not just what and how suits them. Just generally trying to look at situations from others point of view instead of just being totally selfish and only concerning yourself with what suits you, is not a lot to ask and there will usually be a middle way if we look for it that everyone can be accommodated if we try

foxie48 Fri 09-Jan-26 08:18:18

How sad that people think thoughtless and ignorant dog owners are in the majority. Perhaps its because they only see the dogs in unsuitable places with owners who have failed to train their dogs correctly. Our dogs have never behaved like the ones described on this thread, I've never taken a dog shopping although I have taken it to Pets at home, who has a vets practice, grooming facility and positively encourage dog owners to take their dogs in for socialisation training. I have a dog sitter who lives in when we go on holiday abroad and I do not use kennels (most are not like doggy hotels!). Every single pub I've taken my dog to on walks have dog free areas and often it's dogs outside or not at all. I wouldn't dream of allowing my dog to lick plates etc.
How sad that the benefits of dog ownership haven't been mentioned. Dog owners tend to be fitter, slimmer and live longer with better mental health. Dogs provide love, emotional support and a sense of purpose especially as we get older or live alone. Children who grow up with dogs have been found to have stronger immunity and learn valuable lessons about responsibility and caring for others.
It's dog owners that are the problem not the dogs! Unfortunately people got dogs during COVID who didn't realise that buying a puppy means lots of hard and consistent work if you want to own a well behaved dog without unpleasant habits.

MartavTaurus Fri 09-Jan-26 08:33:11

I have not owned dogs because I knew I would be travelling and living abroad and thought it would not be fair to have a dog and then leave it behind.

I find that despicable, and cannot understand the many dog owners who do that. If you take on an animal abroad, you should be prepared to factor in the many costs - passports, (now AHCs), rabies jabs, chis or tattoos, worming products, transport charges etc - to bring the animal back to your new home. We moved 3 dogs and 4 cats back and forth. It's what you do as a responsible owner, despite it being a right palava.

MartavTaurus Fri 09-Jan-26 08:33:57

*chips not chis

Lathyrus3 Fri 09-Jan-26 09:23:30

LaCrepescule

Ridiculous comments about how much dogs smell. And the one about them sniffing eachother because they smell🙄
It’s because their sense of smell is far, far superior to ours.

Every living thing has a smell. Horses smell, fish smell, flowers smell, I smell, you smell.

I was going to say that it’s ridiculous to deny that, but then I realised your sense of smell is probably very poor and you don’t realise what other people can smell.

PigeonFancier1956 Fri 09-Jan-26 09:36:14

I’m fond of dogs too, but I agree that not every space needs to be dog-friendly. It’s fair to want places where people can eat or stay without worrying about animals around.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 09-Jan-26 09:38:40

Lathyrus3

LaCrepescule

Ridiculous comments about how much dogs smell. And the one about them sniffing eachother because they smell🙄
It’s because their sense of smell is far, far superior to ours.

Every living thing has a smell. Horses smell, fish smell, flowers smell, I smell, you smell.

I was going to say that it’s ridiculous to deny that, but then I realised your sense of smell is probably very poor and you don’t realise what other people can smell.

I can smell if a dog has been in a room, restaurant or any enclosed space.

Freya5 Fri 09-Jan-26 09:49:04

Cossy

Sarnia

Blame Boris. Get a dog, he said. And here we are.

I happen to like dogs but can see the OP's point that they are everywhere. Boisterous dogs are as irritating as boisterous children in places like cafes and restaurants but often those in charge seem oblivious to their bad behaviour.

I agree 100%

Sadly, thanks Boris, so many “covid” dogs ended up in rescue refuges or otherwise rid off!

So some one tells you get a dog, so they did. Many people had no sense, or couldn't think for themselves as to what it would entail.

Freya5 Fri 09-Jan-26 09:53:35

Going around a very packed, with decorations, garden centre, at Christmas, you were tripping over large dogs, yappy dogs, all on longish leads, owners oblivious to what they were doing whilst they chose their Christmas baubles. Really, I'm sure the dogs loved it, really. Sniffing and snuffling round our ankles, I think they should have a dog owner day, so we all know when we can keep away.

Lathyrus3 Fri 09-Jan-26 09:55:03

GrannyGravy13

Lathyrus3

LaCrepescule

Ridiculous comments about how much dogs smell. And the one about them sniffing eachother because they smell🙄
It’s because their sense of smell is far, far superior to ours.

Every living thing has a smell. Horses smell, fish smell, flowers smell, I smell, you smell.

I was going to say that it’s ridiculous to deny that, but then I realised your sense of smell is probably very poor and you don’t realise what other people can smell.

I can smell if a dog has been in a room, restaurant or any enclosed space.

Oh yes and if someone is a dog owner, even if they haven’t got their dog with them. Just like you can smell a smoker even if their not smoking.
Or the shower gel people used a few hours ago. Or what they had for dinner even if you visit the next morning.

Smells linger and become inbedded. It’s a world full of smells.

(Maybe I’m really a dog😬)