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Fairydoll2030 Sun 15-Jan-17 21:03:59

A relative lives in a very nice, expensive area of our town. The local council are going ahead with plans (in fact they have brought them forward three years) to build a huge number of affordable accommodation in addition to a Traveller site on green belt land that abuts their estate and use the access road to the estate, which is currently a no through road, to accommodate all the additional traffic. Local properties fetched up to several hundred thousand pounds. Now prices are dropping rapidly. No one is surprised. Protestors are accused of belonging to the NIMBY (not in my back yard brigade). And who can blame them!!
On looking at a Question and Answer on Gypsies and Travellers page on the local councils website I note that, according to the author, Travellers work in a variety of professions including Teaching and healthcare . Some, apparently are 'academics' and some work in the building and landscaping trades (we know that, don't we?).

So, out of interest, are there any Traveller grans on Gransnet who are academics or teachers, or this this just the local council bullshitting spinning a line in order to minimise the protests?

Lona Mon 16-Jan-17 19:09:06

Annie how nice sunshine

whitewave Mon 16-Jan-17 19:15:33

annie thinking about it that reminds me of Thrush Green -Miss Read!!

stillaliveandkicking Mon 16-Jan-17 19:16:36

We had travellers living under a near by underpass. Unfortunately they didn't endear themselves to many and quickly became outcasts due to shafting quite a lot of my elderly neighbours with shoddy building works.

merlotgran Mon 16-Jan-17 19:30:44

They don't endear themselves to farmers around here either.

stillaliveandkicking Mon 16-Jan-17 19:32:04

Also the "traveller culture" is disgustingly male oriented and used by the men to keep women in their place "uneducated and to be sold off/married at the earliest opportunity" This is not in any way acceptable.

Anniebach Mon 16-Jan-17 19:32:50

No idea what shafted means, at a guess cheated out of money, good grief this happens with vat registered firms

stillaliveandkicking Mon 16-Jan-17 19:34:47

You guessed right Annie. Yes of course it happens with VAT registered companies but just not nearly as much and there is recourse.

Anniebach Mon 16-Jan-17 19:41:33

Here a farmer gave a field for travellers to park up, respectable semi detachies pour excrement around the field, took us ages to clear the muck. As for male orientated, they are very protective of female members of their family and their community. All the years we have had travellers here not one elderly member has ended up in a care home. And considering two women a week are murdered by partners how many do we read of who are from the travelling community.

Get rid if them all and snuggle up in our little boxes with a garden and room for a pony

Anniebach Mon 16-Jan-17 19:42:29

Still alive, you have records you can post giving the numbers ?

stillaliveandkicking Mon 16-Jan-17 19:56:41

Why would I have records Annie?

stillaliveandkicking Mon 16-Jan-17 20:01:29

A "culture" depicts a way of life for a group or large mass of people. The Traveller culture is abhorrent where women are concerned. Many a "culture" is wrong and should be abolished and the traveller one is amongst them.

Anniebach Mon 16-Jan-17 20:06:41

In your opinion

stillaliveandkicking Mon 16-Jan-17 20:09:42

Do you think that the way girls are treated in that "culture" is right Annie? They're given frilly dresses, make up from the age dot and "groomed", do you not think that?

Grannyben Mon 16-Jan-17 20:30:46

Oh dear, frilly dresses! That's certainly one reason for abolishing a culture

stillaliveandkicking Mon 16-Jan-17 20:39:00

Thinking about it more. Up their arse ones too. Great culture, lets roll it out over Britain.

Anniebach Mon 16-Jan-17 21:32:18

What? no let's keep our culture, girls rolling out of pubs and vomiting on the streets

I respect all cultures, I do not expect people to live as I do ,their way may not be my way but I accept this and respect it.

stillaliveandkicking Mon 16-Jan-17 21:34:32

Rather the few who do that than being controlled. Yes! any day.

Anniebach Mon 16-Jan-17 21:38:16

The few? Thst is funny. I am not surprised you have no problem with girls falling around drunk but object to a frilly dress on a child,

stillaliveandkicking Mon 16-Jan-17 21:43:49

Not sure I get what you're saying Annie? I was stating that the traveller culture is based on putting girls in frilly frocks on their wedding day and up their arse skirts and make up most others. It is a culture based on mans desires and keeping women under control.

Men fall about drunk far more than women do. But in saying that girls are free then to do the same in our culture (I'm not an advocate of either). Im an advocate of freedom for women, the gypsy culture is certainly not.

Anniebach Mon 16-Jan-17 22:05:54

Your knowledge of gypsy culture is very narrow. You assume all women want your life style, they do not. There are women who are content within their own cultures . I wouldn't put a child in s frilly dress but do not condemn mothers who do.

Luckygirl Mon 16-Jan-17 22:13:03

I think it is important that people do not base their judgements on the media - programmes about Traveller culture are unlikely to focus on the positives and will look for things that are "newsworthy" - viz the programme about weddings.

According to the media, all Muslims are terrorists.

Anniebach Mon 16-Jan-17 22:19:09

I agree Luckygirl, but channel 5 is guilty of this as it is on benefit cheats, very Sun newspaper in my opinion

Fairydoll2030 Mon 16-Jan-17 22:21:27

The Travellers in our area are of Irish descent. People refer to them as. 'Gypos' but, as far as I'm aware, Gypsies are of Romany origin, their culture is different and they have little in common with Irish Travellers.

Please correct me if I'm wrong

NfkDumpling Mon 16-Jan-17 22:33:57

One of the settled gypsy families lived behind us. In a very large immaculate house on a very large plot. He built a bungalow in the garden for his mum which she refused to live in and stayed in her caravan in the garden to the end of her days. A good thing really as it was built without planning permission - he claimed it was a dog kennel! They were lovely people (he did a lot to support the local football teams) but was inclined to ignore the rules the rest of us play by. The house wasn't apparently on the mains but it later transpired it was linked through a nearby bngalow owned by his aunt!

NfkDumpling Mon 16-Jan-17 22:37:38

I liked living in a community which included integrated gypsies. It meant that keeping a pony in the back garden(as we did) was quite normal!