Do vegans wear wool?

Maybe vegans should wear these?

Jalima ever felt you've been a bit of a smart @rse? Sorry, about that. Carrots are one of my favourite vegetables.

Okay, Jalima, what do you suggest vegans wear on their feet?
I suggested that suedonim was getting ridiculous when she said about a vegan wanting to have her baby in a hospital bed.
How dare they? Vegans taking up beds that should be left for meat eaters.

I presume you've seen the news about the restaurant in Shropshire?
Yes! I thought I'd posted a link to that but it must have been on another thread.

Just want to apologise to Foxygran for the timing of my last post.

OldMeg because fleeces vary so much in quality I think only certain ones can be used for clothing, others for items such as carpets - but I agree with you; why can't the rest of the fleeces which may not be suitable for clothing, furnishings etc be used for insulation in homes, making duvets, etc. Why are duvets made from sheep's wool so expensive?

sorry, garments, garden furniture etc made from recycled plastic

And I think most fleeces come from recycled plastic
I think I asked on another thread what happens when garments, garden furniture etc etc come to the end of their useful life - does anyone put a fleece in with the plastic to be recycled - what does one do with them?

That's getting ridiculous now, suedonim
I am assuming they were happy to take pain relief prescribed for them, which could possibly have been tested on animals during clinical trials.

As for wellies - they are man-made too.
I still have a vision of a clog maker sitting carving clogs, and I understand they can be very comfy.

Oh dear, I just took Kevin and Katie out of the fridge and was going to chop them up for dinner.
I'm worried now what will happen to Chantenay, Baby and Jasper

Thanks for that, Foxygran. He's so right.

To lighten the discussion for a moment, anybody who watched the ALDI Christmas advert for the last two years knows carrots can talk! Christmas 2017 saw Kevin the Carrot trying to save Katie the Carrot, but she ends up saving him! They've got three children now - Chantenay, Baby Carrot and Jasper!

Watch the Kevin and Katie Romance

As you were

www.facebook.com/garytvcom/videos/1533613650027211/
This just came up on my Facebook News Feed and I thought it may add to the discussion....

Colman's moving out of Norwich, for those who don't like all those fields of mustard.

Many vegans do know about the ethics of clothing.
www.ethicalconsumer.org
is the place to go to find out about how ethical your clothes are.

I live in an arable desert in East Anglia where animals and humans are very rarely seen in the fields. In fact, you look twice if you see any. The obvious fallout if we all became vegans has already been pointed out. As to clothing, vegans should know that cotton and bamboo use so much water that they harm the environment. Many synthetic materials use oil in their construction or shed very damaging micro size plastic fibres. As humans we are integrated with all other living things but we are capable of and do cause the extinction of other species for our own profit and convenience. Goodbye grazing animals, and hello uplands clothed in thick scrub and trees.

I think I have a rational, ethical and compassionate diet, Monica, having been thinking very carefully about what I eat for over forty years, thankyou.
It did not involve having to consider whether carrots feel pain.
In fact, over Christmas I paid for a few barrowloads of carrots for a donkey/horse sanctuary.

Someone telling me that carrots squeal when I bite their heads off is not being rational in my opinion.

Is that a rational and thoughtful enough answer for you?
Or am I still dodging the question?
Are you now going to tell me there's no need to be like that?

dj, dodging the question again. I think most thoughtful vegans would sit down and consider the issue and try and sort out a rational, ethical and compassionate diet. The rest of us would continue to eat as we do now.

I agree with it, Jane, like most people surveyed.
They are talking about a group of six, collared for tracking over five or six years.
Apparently most of the rural people surveyed also agreed, which surprised them.

My point on the Chillingham White cattle is that, if people don't want to let them loose, why should they want to let any others loose?

Like I said, Monica, we just die out. Problem solved.

I've never heard any vegan suggesting that the wild cattle of Chillingham should be set free to roam where they want
jen no one would suggest that, whether they were vegan or not, because the cattle would die, wouldn’t they?
Wondering what you think of the idea of reintroducing lynx into Kielder Forest?

Why are non-vegans so obsessed with how vegan food is grown? They would do better to concern themselves with how their own food is produced.

We are not obsessed. just curious. Until this thread I had lived 74 years without considering the question. Hardly an obsession.

dj what is your evidence that those contributing to this thread are not actively concerned about how the food they eat is produced? I would say that, reading the posts in this threads that many are, and are actively putting these concerns into action in their own grocery shopping.

Indeed, to quote Wilma, I would say the majority of contributors to this thread could be described as thoughtful or conscientious omnivores and the proportion of the population falling into this group is growing rapidly. Like Nfk I am usually vegetarian if eating out and I know many others who are the same. We, as much as vegetarians are driving the growing presence of meat free options on restaurant menus.

The fact that someone expresses something in a dramatic and rhetorical manner, may not be helpful but does not invalidate the seriousness of their inquiry. Surely the point is, if plant products feel pain, where do you draw the line on not eating anything that will suffer as a resultof being eaten, because without food you die. It is a valid ethical point worthy of discussion.

Thanks nightowl. One of my problems is that I try to avoid bread [although am going through a bread eating phase at the moment]; realised years ago that it caused me a lot of digestive problems.

Tegan, as my DGS is an ‘accidental vegan’ I’m not sure whether his diet is typical or not. On the one day a week I look after him his diet might look like this:

Breakfast: readybrek with oat milk. Cup of milk to drink. Toast with vegan spread and jam or marmite if he’s still hungry

Lunch: maybe beans on toast! Or a homemade vegetable soup made by his mum in batches and frozen, usually with added quinoa or beans.

Tea: on a ‘ junk’ day vegan fishless fingers (Linda McCartney) with potatoes and veg. Alternatively something like a homemade shepherds pie (frozen again) made with lentils or vegan mince.

Bedtime: he still loves his bottle of oat milk.

Snacks: lots of baby and toddler snacks are vegan: he also likes fruit. He does have dairy free chocolate but isn’t all that bothered!

He is allergic to all dairy (milk proteins not just lactose), eggs, soya, strawberries amongst other things so ingredients have to be carefully scrutinised. His mum has to keep a regular food diary which is looked at by the dieticician and she has offered advice about protein as well as different sources of vitamins and minerals. His diet is far more scrutinised than other children his age and I suspect is therefore more balanced than most. As I said earlier, he has not needed any supplements.

Yes; that's why my house is such a tip; it's because I feel guilty every time I throw something away. I, too, live in a permanent state of guilt. Trying to throw old nail varnish bottles and old videos away at the moment but, as they will just end up as landfill, I end up putting them back on the shelf/in the cupboard. At least I don't change my mobile phone/tv etc on a regular basis, I suppose.