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sarteve1 Mon 08-Jul-19 12:56:20

has anyone any dealings with equity release??..good thing or bad thing?.

JenniferEccles Tue 16-Jul-19 16:53:18

For those who have explored all other options then it can be a good idea. Of course downsizing is always an option to release cash, but lots of people are perfectly happy where they are, so this is where equity release can help.

Most of us are now in possession of property which has rocketed in value over the past few years especially here in the south, so why not take advantage of that?

Schemes nowadays have a lot of flexibility in that it's possible to pay the interest per month to prevent the debt building up, or not - it's up to you.

Another thing to remember is that a lot of us unwittingly have fallen, or will fall, into the dreaded inheritance tax liability, so when we go, our children will have a big tax bill to pay.

Why not make use of the increased value in your home rather than letting the taxman get it when you die?

GracesGranMK3 Tue 16-Jul-19 16:37:31

It will also impact if she needs care. Social services will refuse to pay (and rightly so) otherwise everybody would just release the equity, spend it and expect the government to pay for them. (Sat 13-Jul-19 00:09:22) trooper7133

The above is not entirely accurate.

The council looks for deliberate deprivation of capital so it will depend on how long ago your mother took out the mortgage as much as anything.

If your mother goes into care you will have to sell the house within a specific period both the satisfy the Equity Release contract and also to satisfy the Local Authority(LA) conditions. If she needs care you need someone to explain it to you as it is all quite complex. LAs can be very helpful. Do not assume anything - certainly not that they will not pay. There is always a chance that it is not as bad as you think.

Deedaa Tue 16-Jul-19 16:04:57

If anyone is considering Equity Release do avoid Age Partnership because you'll never get rid of them! I managed to stop the phone calls by telling them we'd used another company but the letters still turn up !!!

M0nica Mon 15-Jul-19 07:55:23

The other advantage of equity release, if your house is valuable, is that it enables you to give large sums of money to our children when there is a good chance you will survive 7 years to make it clear of inheritance tax so that when you die your estate is less valuable and less tax is due.

A friend with a very valuable house in London (not when she bought it) has used equity release to buy both of her children their first home and more or less taken her estate out of inheritance tax, when it would otherwise have been liable for a lot of tax.

bikergran Sun 14-Jul-19 21:03:57

Another side of the story is that anyone on a Debt Relief Plan..are often given advise on Equity Release!

If they think you are unable to pay off any debts you have before a certain period,they can suggest Equity Release if you have plenty of Equity.

But!! this would be wrong to do in my eyes, as although yes! you would clear your debts, you would then be left with a lifetime mortgage or what ever plan you would take. which then would mean you would be in further debt as you are unable to pay back any money.

M0nica Sun 14-Jul-19 14:59:00

David,Not everyone has a house valuable enough for downsizing to be practical. In many parts of the country, especially the north a 3 bed terrace house may be worth well below £200k, or even £100k.

It is the owners of these houses who most benefit from equity release. Others do it because they do not want to move, just make their existing home more age proof. There are many reasons for equity release, helping children is just one of them, but of course, advertisers pick on that as it is so emotive.

Davidhs Sun 14-Jul-19 13:48:46

Rather than equity release sell your present home and move somewhere smaller then divide any surplus amongst your children if you want to help them.

Finance companies are there to make money not help you.

Greta8 Sun 14-Jul-19 13:40:50

Personally I wouldn't do it - compound interest means that the amount borrowed soon escalates. As others have said why not downsize instead? We are in the process of downsizing slightly (i.e. modern four bed det with small garden from 3 bed large cottage with huge garden/orchard - and will release about £50k ish. We will still wholly own our own property which will be under our control, much better than being in hock to some dubious finance company. We'll possibly give some of this equity to our daughter to help them move to a bigger family house. We have other savings and pensions, thanks to hard work and being fairly careful with money. Please don't be seduced into doing equity release - there's no such thing as a free lunch in the financial services world!

crazyH Sun 14-Jul-19 12:32:28

Urmstongran, that's what I did.....sold, downsized, gave some money to my 3 children, keeping rest for myself, as I don't have private pension (well, I have, but it's so small, I could sneeze and blow it all away). I also get a small alimony payment.
sartavel, Please don't take equity release.

Urmstongran Sun 14-Jul-19 11:05:07

Instead of equity release, why not just downsize and put the balance of your money in the bank?

Or am I missing something here?

gillybob Sun 14-Jul-19 10:00:34

Exactly Harri my neighbours have just sold for less than they/we paid for it 8 years ago . Mind you this is the North East .

harrigran Sun 14-Jul-19 09:29:33

Don't count on house prices rising, we are selling a property in an area where values are falling. We have been told to expect a drop of about £30,000.

Deedaa Sat 13-Jul-19 21:11:24

Ours has the interest worked out in advance and it will be paid off when the house is sold. The amount we have been able to take means that there will be ample equity left to cover it and if house prices continue to rise there will even be a little for the children.

M0nica Sat 13-Jul-19 11:12:12

but if you take a loan out you need to have a repayment plan and pay interest month by month. - and banks are out to earn money off your loan.

The specific appeal of Equity release, is that you can have a large sum of money ready to draw down when you need it for anything from house repairs a holiday, Christmas or whatever with no need to make repayments or pay interest during your lifetime. Loans do not do that. They lend for a specific purpose for a limited time with repayments due over the life of the loan.

I do not think you fully understand what the purpose of Equity release is Evie64. For some people they are an excellent idea, for some people they are not.

I am not sure you entirely

Evie64 Sat 13-Jul-19 00:39:15

My advice is don't touch it with a barge pole! These Equity Release Companies don't do it for love, they do it to earn money! If you really really need to raise money, approach your bank and take a loan out with your house as security?

trooper7133 Sat 13-Jul-19 00:09:22

My parents borrowed £65,000 and now owe £220,000, (basically their whole house). My dad died last year and mum is in poor health. Very frail, isolated, developing dementia and lives in the sticks. I would love her to live near me but no chance now.
It will also impact if she needs care. Social services will refuse to pay (and rightly so) otherwise everybody would just release the equity, spend it and expect the government to pay for them.
Worst decision they ever took.

Deedaa Wed 10-Jul-19 18:19:55

We've had no problems with ours. The children were obviously involved in the decision and it's been a lot better for them. We have a bit of spare money if they need help now rather than waiting till we die and they are middle aged and hopefully fairly settled. When we have both died the children will get first dibs on the house and can decide if either one wants to buy it from the company, it can't just be taken from them.

Johno Wed 10-Jul-19 08:13:53

It depends on your mindset. My wife and I are fully for freeing up equity so that, while we are still in the land of the living, we can actually see our children make headway in these difficult times for house buying etc. What use is waiting for a WILL?? Its a non argument for us. The children gain when they need it and we can see how they gain and become happier and secure. Its not as if we are Bill Gates .. we have no control over the houseing price boom, we were lucky.
There is also the natter of the government getting the house if one of us or both of us become seriously ill or disabled. You literally have to sell your home to pay for the care. WE have paid tax for decades and still pay tax. MPs sell their second homes WE PAID FOR and keep the profit? so there is no way we will let the state get their hand son our home/money. Life is for living. Why not do things and see the result. Its a no brainer for us.

Fran3669 Tue 09-Jul-19 23:38:57

Old style home reversion plans are completely different from the highly regulated equity release plans now available. There are very good independent financial advisers out there who are qualified to chartered level in later life planning and who wouldn’t consider doing something unless in the absolute best interests of a client.

I know this because I am one of these and I specialise in helping vulnerable clients, working alongside solicitors, the courts and other professionals.

If a client needs equity release I will always work with a second IFA so that we can ensure that a client is not disadvantaged in any way at all and, if they have family, we encourage them to be involved every step of the way.

We ensure that they take completely independent legal advice too and that there are always at least two solicitors involved, preferably who are completely independent of each other.

As with anything financial, there are always charlatans and villains who are looking to take advantage of the elderly and vulnerable which is why advice shouldn’t be taken from someone with no proof of track record or visibility on the FCA register. Don’t use someone who has no experience in the later life market as they are highly unlikely to consider the wider implications - sometimes these are mortgage advisers with fewer qualifications and who do not fully understand all of the potential issues (they mean well but can cause problems later on). Finally, ‘advice’ from a bank or building society (or other tied agent) should be checked vigorously as they are usually using a restricted panel or a single product provider and not necessarily accessing the very best available solution.

Equity release is not a ‘one size fits all’ and lots of people have horror stories (me included, although none of my clients I might add). Anyone releasing funds without a good reason, who plans on holding the balance in cash, is, more than likely, making a huge mistake. There are phased solutions and income solutions which may be a better fit; Or possibly a RIO (retirement interest only loan) which means there is no accumulating balance.

Similarly, beware of other schemes and ideas which can leave an individual being accused of deliberate deprivation of assets in the case of long term care, or with no saving on an inheritance tax bill if not done correctly and for the right reasons.

This is something I’m passionate about, despite it forming only a small part of my later life planning work, as it’s an area where the most vulnerable people can be hit hardest.

Razzy Tue 09-Jul-19 22:57:41

It does sometimes work but I would look at the new RIO mortgages first. Retirement Interest Only. You can take them out up to around age 90! For c55% of property value. You do have to pay normal mortgage interest and you can pay capital back also if you want, otherwise it has to be paid back when you (or relatives) sell the house or go into long term care.

M0nica Tue 09-Jul-19 21:31:43

If you pass your house onto your children for less than the market price and still live in it and do not pay the market rent. The house will be treated as still being owned by you.

I once went to see an elderly man who had passed a third of his house to each of his children, keeping a third for himself. He came to Age Concern (as it was) because if you do what he did, to not have the house taken in consideration if he needed care, or for inheritance purposes he had to pay his children the market rent.

Unfortunately rents rocketed, especially for big houses like his in desirable villages like his and the two thirds of the market rent he had to pay to his children now exceeded his entire pension income. HMRC checked the rent and whether he was paying it, every year, so he was in a difficult situation.

Esmerelda It was a very bad thing when they first came out, but now they are fairer, more flexible and can be done in many different ways and for some people they can be very useful. Two of my friends have taken equity release, one quite some years ago, and they have no complaints at all about the 2 different types of scheme they have entered. They fully understood what the product was, how it worked and how much it would cost them. In one case it has provided a house for a child in difficult circumstances and living in a poor quality rented home. In the other the money to make their house sound and in good order - and increase its value so that if they do have to sell they have a saleable house with enough to pay off the loan and have money left.

Minniemoo Tue 09-Jul-19 20:28:59

My parents did this. Back in the 90s their home was valued at 200k. They borrowed 50k ... for holidays and general fun times. They didn't understand that once they'd either gone into a home or died they'd have to pay a colossal amount back. Or their estate. They were convinced that they'd just have to pay back the 50k. There was no telling them. I wasn't bothered about any inheritance. Their lives, up to them what they did. My sister is a tad more mercenary. Anyway. they both died. Had to pay back the 50 grand plus 75% of any cash over 200k that the house sold for. So all in all the bank did very nicely out if it. I'd not do it myself but I'm sure it can work for some. This was quite a few years ago now. I think that the banks have been reined in slightly from making excessive bucks.

MissAdventure Tue 09-Jul-19 20:12:58

My aunt had a lifetime mortgage type thing on her home, and it meant she could do some essential work on the place, her her children towards deposits on their places.
She wasn't sure exactly how it worked, but it did; extremely well in her case.

seadragon Tue 09-Jul-19 19:40:43

Lilyflower: if the house was put in the name of the daughter paying the £700 a month it may be OK provided there is a record of all the financial transactions ideally in a formal arrangement, but if it remained in her parents' name then it's value would be taken into account in any financial assessment for residential care.

jura2 Tue 09-Jul-19 19:38:04

No, never.