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Lizzle10 Thu 23-Sept-21 11:52:29

For several years I have worked for an elderly couple who over time have become very special to me, helping and supporting me through some tough times . They have a son and daughter who both live abroad and I no longer have my parents so we all mutually enjoy the relationship we have formed as it fills a void we all have . Last week whilst having coffee she opened a small box full of rings , asked me to try them on and choose one I liked . I said I couldn’t but she insisted as none of them were her ‘special’ rings . She is a great collector of jewellery real and costume so I assumed the rings were of little value . She picked up one and said I’d like you to have this , it was a very dark black looking stone with some clear diamond type stones round the edge . We tussled back and forth with me refusing until I finally agreed to take it . It was such a sweet thing and I’ve worn the ring ever since but yesterday my friend saw it and said what a beautiful ring that looks expensive . Now she’s said that I’ve looked at it and maybe it does , concerned now it may be of some value. I was thinking of taking it to the jewellers and if it is real returning it to her but I don’t want to upset her . What do you ladies think I should do?

Riggie Fri 24-Sept-21 11:15:03

lemsip

I used to visit an old lady. when she died I was appalled when her family asked me to choose something of hers to remember her by...appalled to think that's why I had visited her for so long.... I won't forget her.

When my mother's good friend died, her son asked Mum if there was something she would like and Mum asked if she could have some photos which I thought was a nice thing. No monetary value and of course the son could sort out duplicates or get copies if he wanted to keep the originals.

nadateturbe Fri 24-Sept-21 10:59:13

JdotJ

Do you have any contact with her children. It's marvellous that your friend thinks so highly of you but, just to be on the safe side, I would mention it to her children, if you are able.

I agree. I wouldn't feel comfortable not mentioning it. Friends or not the OP is an employee.

grandtanteJE65 Fri 24-Sept-21 10:59:02

On the face of it there seems to be no reason why you should not keep and enjoy the ring, as nothing you have told here suggests that the giver is not in her right mind and knew what she was doing.

I do, however, have one concern: you say you work for this lady and her husband. Is this an informal agreement, or are you employed by an agency?

I am asking this because I would expect an agency to have rules about whether their employees may or may not accept gifts from those the work for.

Obviously, no-one could reasonably object to your receiving a box of chocolates or the like, but a ring, if it is not costume jewelry but valuable is a slightly different matter.

My concern is that you may be laying yourself open to accusations of theft or of having used undue influence, if not by the lady herself or her husband then by their heirs.

You don't mention whether this lady has children, it sounds as if they either do not, or are estranged from them. If the latter is the case, you do need to be careful, as estrangements rarely last when it comes to inheritance!

If she has children whom you know, it might be best casually to mention to them that their mother has insisted you have this ring and that you are mentioning it to them because her insistance made you a little uncomfortable.

After my father's death my sister and I discovered that some silver spoons and our paternal grandmother's engagement ring were missing from the house.

We had no way of knowing whether our parents had sold or given these things away, or whether someone had helped themselves to them. We decided just to let it be and do nothing as we had no way of knowing what had actually happened to these items, but it was not a comfortable feeling, even although neither of us "needed" the things, but the ring had been promised to my sister and I was hurt for her sake that it could not be found.

songstress60 Fri 24-Sept-21 10:42:03

If it's a gift then the person has voluntarily given it to you. If it turns out to be valuable you are not taking advantages. They GAVE it to you, so get it valued and if you hit hard times sell it.

JdotJ Fri 24-Sept-21 10:40:39

Do you have any contact with her children. It's marvellous that your friend thinks so highly of you but, just to be on the safe side, I would mention it to her children, if you are able.

bear1 Fri 24-Sept-21 10:39:21

to put your mind at rest why not have it valued for two reasons if it is valuable then offer to give back to the lady saying its valuable and you would like to give back if she still insists you keep it then alls well,and you keep and get it insured, if its not worth anything then just appreciate it for the gift it is,

sandelf Fri 24-Sept-21 10:37:31

Lovely generous act to give you this. Of course you should wear it BUT I would have it looked at by a jeweller - ask them to tell you what it is made of, and whether it is delicate, and a general value. You need to know these things - imagine you maltreat it or loose it and THEN discover it's very rare or valuable?

H1954 Thu 23-Sept-21 18:15:29

What a lovely relationship you have forged with this couple. The lady had obviously given a great deal of thought in offering you to choose from her selection of jewellery. I think you should keep the one she gave you, regardless of its possible value. It was given after a great deal of thought and in my opinion she and her OH truly value having you in their life. Stay safe and nurture this friendship, I wish there were more people like you in this mean spirited world.

lemsip Thu 23-Sept-21 18:09:07

I used to visit an old lady. when she died I was appalled when her family asked me to choose something of hers to remember her by...appalled to think that's why I had visited her for so long.... I won't forget her.

M0nica Thu 23-Sept-21 17:45:13

If she is in her right mind than she is as free as you or me or our children to give all her belongings to anyone she chooses.

In fact you have done a lot for her that her children cannot do. They must be very trateful for this. You friend has given you a lovely present to show you her gratitude. I suspect she pushed you to choose that ring because she knew it was valuable and she wanted to say thank you and felt it wouldspoil your friendship to give money. Say 'thank you kindly' and tell her how much you will always appreciate the ring as a token of your friendship - then leave it at that.

Could you ask your DH to get it valued and work out whether it needs to be mentioned in the insurance. Then let him deal with the house insurance nad only find how much it is worth, when she dies.

nadateturbe Thu 23-Sept-21 17:10:21

Riverwalk

Your friend is free to give gifts as she's sees fit but I can understand your unease if it turns out to be valuable - you wouldn't want any future accusations of taking advantage.

It's a pity her children are abroad as you could have discreetly mentioned it - are you in any contact with them?

This is what would concern me.

Amberone Thu 23-Sept-21 16:07:09

I think an Albert is a chain that a pocket watch used to hang from. They were generally gold, so depending on the age, size, carat, etc, it could be worth a fair bit.

JaneJudge Thu 23-Sept-21 15:58:15

Lizzie, this has happened to me too but not a ring, a piece of furniture. I had it valued by an auction house (I can PM you their details if you want) and it wasn't worth as much as was thought but in that time I weighed up what to do and I thought I had helped my friend a lot and been there for her and her partner and they wanted me to have it it without an exchange of money, so I took it as a gift as was intended. I think I'd have upset them too much if I'd have offered money or given it them back.

aggie Thu 23-Sept-21 15:54:44

It’s a watch , possibly on a chain

Riverwalk Thu 23-Sept-21 15:49:21

and at one point she insisted that they take her late husband's 'Albert'

Not his Prince Albert! shock

crazyH Thu 23-Sept-21 15:42:28

No point googling it then. So Nannarose, what’s an “Albert” ?

Soroptimum Thu 23-Sept-21 15:38:10

Well I googled ‘Albert’ as I had not heard of this, but got some very strange results. wink

Lucca Thu 23-Sept-21 15:31:14

I disagree. You should have it valued for insurance.

Nannarose Thu 23-Sept-21 15:09:22

I agree that you should keep it. I would also advise against getting it 'valued' - so you keep it simply for sentimental reasons, which is the spirit in which it was given.

My parents helped an elderly neighbour, and at one point she insisted that they take her late husband's 'Albert' , not because of its monetary value, but as a token.
We had to get it valued along with other jewellery, for probate when my parents died, and it did turn out to be worth quite a lot.
However, we had already decided how to share out the family Alberts among our sons. When we handed this one over, we simply said that it had been given as a token of friendship.

Riverwalk Thu 23-Sept-21 14:00:13

Your friend is free to give gifts as she's sees fit but I can understand your unease if it turns out to be valuable - you wouldn't want any future accusations of taking advantage.

It's a pity her children are abroad as you could have discreetly mentioned it - are you in any contact with them?

grannyactivist Thu 23-Sept-21 13:01:46

I have been in a very similar situation and agree that you should accept the ring with the grace it was given.

A woman that I barely knew became very ill and so for several weeks I stepped in to take care of her, her children and her dog as her husband was working (in the military) abroad. When she recovered she gave me a ring that had belonged to her late mother and insisted I take it, which I eventually did with great reluctance. It’s a white gold clover leaf studded with marcasite and I’ve worn it for forty five years.

nadateturbe Thu 23-Sept-21 12:56:01

I think I would get it valued now and if it turns out to be an expensive ring I would have to think carefully about whether to keep it or not.

CafeAuLait Thu 23-Sept-21 12:50:28

I think you should accept the ring graciously and enjoy it. Your friend clearly wants you to have a gift and it has no doubt given her great joy to give the ring to you. That counts for a lot too.

Namsnanny Thu 23-Sept-21 12:17:53

From what you say, she clearly wanted you to have this particular ring.
Wear it enjoy it, and think of her.
Get it valued at some time though.

Grandmabatty Thu 23-Sept-21 12:13:43

That is such a lovely gift. She obviously wanted to give it to you so returning it would be hurtful, I think. Definitely get it valued though,as you might have to insure it separately