Cost of Jubilee

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Queen's Jubilee: Glasgow councillors say using public money would be crass

SNP council deputy leader and city treasurer Ricky Bell said: “In the current financial restraints that Glasgow City faces, spending money on a jubilee celebration would in my opinion be crass, I want to direct every penny we can to helping with the cost of living crisis.”
Green councillor Anthony Carrolll said he would like to see Glasgow’s communities and their history celebrated more instead – pointing to the Kenmure Street Festival of Resistance and the Govanhill International Festival.
He said: “We should be celebrating Glaswegians and our history. As a city we have proud moments. There is a lot we should promote more.”

Defending Glasgow’s absence of events online, Green councillor Leodhas Massie said: “To set aside even a penny of Glasgow City Council’s budget for this during a chronic cost of living crisis would be sickeningly offensive. You are free to celebrate this ‘tradition’ at your own expense if you feel like you want to.”

£22m lottery money.

nadateturbe

My conclusion would be, wherever the money comes from it doesn't sit well with me.

I assume that, although it doesn't sit well with you - whatever that may mean - you do accept that my other, factual points, are correct.

Long wait Kalu. A worrying time.

My conclusion would be, wherever the money comes from it doesn't sit well with me.

Newquay

Regardless of being monarchist or republican, in these hard times who is paying for all the expense of decorations etc?
Most councils are really struggling, as are many folk.
The extravagant celebrations don’t sit well with me.
I DO hope HM has contributed-massively out of her vast wealth

This thread has run its course regarding the questions asked in the OP. So my conclusion would be:

Having the Jubilee is not the reason the councils are struggling.

Having the Jubilee has not made people poor.

If you don't like the celebrations, you are totally at liberty to opt out. You don't need to have anything to do with them.

Most of the celebrations have been organised and funded locally by communities. Most of them were by volunteers who gave their time and money. That is not extravegance.

The larger celebrations are an investment in tourism. The result far outweighs the investment. Many of them cost less than a local football match to put on. That is not extravegance.

I doubt we will ever know if the Queen has contributed but in what other job would you be expected to pay for doing it?

I'm glad for HM that she is being spared the ordeal of the service at St Pauls. Imagine sitting through the service that celebrates (or commemorates?) her reign. It would be like attending her own funeral. I wonder if she will be watching it on TV.

lemsip

Can't understand the fixation with running down the dailymail, is that all you read?
Try The Times

Harry and Meghan plan 'low-profile' visit for Queen's Platinum ...https://www.thetimes.co.uk › article › harry-and-meghan-...
2 days ago — However, the couple, who are aware of the importance of not overshadowing the Queen's Platinum Jubilee, will be limiting their appearances.

Look who's back! Inside Harry and Meghan's big trip - The Timeshttps://www.thetimes.co.uk › article › look-whos-back-ins...
4 days ago — The area around Buckingham Palace is being prepared for the Queen's Platinum Jubilee celebrations as Prince Harry and Meghan get ready for ...

Queen to meet Harry and Meghan's daughter, Lilibet, during ...https://www.thetimes.co.uk › article › queen-to-meet-harr...
4 days ago — The Queen is likely to meet the great-granddaughter who was named after her on her first birthday over the Platinum Jubilee bank holiday ...

Can't understand the fixation with running down the dailymail, is that all you read?
Try The Times

1. It's not a fixation. If you read a couple of articles from it on Facebook, it will then regularly appear on your feed.

2. The Daily Mail stirs the pot - you'd have to be blind not to notice.

3. I read The Tines, The Spectator, The Independent, The Guardian - and sometimes the English language editions of the international press - and one in its native language.

Sorry DaisyAnne I also misread your comment.

Can't understand the fixation with running down the dailymail, is that all you read?
Try The Times

Harry and Meghan plan 'low-profile' visit for Queen's Platinum ...https://www.thetimes.co.uk › article › harry-and-meghan-...
2 days ago — However, the couple, who are aware of the importance of not overshadowing the Queen's Platinum Jubilee, will be limiting their appearances.

Look who's back! Inside Harry and Meghan's big trip - The Timeshttps://www.thetimes.co.uk › article › look-whos-back-ins...
4 days ago — The area around Buckingham Palace is being prepared for the Queen's Platinum Jubilee celebrations as Prince Harry and Meghan get ready for ...

Queen to meet Harry and Meghan's daughter, Lilibet, during ...https://www.thetimes.co.uk › article › queen-to-meet-harr...
4 days ago — The Queen is likely to meet the great-granddaughter who was named after her on her first birthday over the Platinum Jubilee bank holiday ...

Excellent post, Dickens.

Ladyleftfieldlover

It is so interesting reading some of these comments, I am borderline Republican but until and unless there is a viable alternative, we should stick with what we have. Tax payers money was not used for these celebrations and if people want to enjoy those celebrations, I’m fine with that. I will be missing the Jubilee thing in my village but I’m not sad about that. What I am agitated and cross about this morning is the absolute rubbish written about H&M in the Daily Fail today.

I've just seen the DM headlines today - to the effect that a poll suggests the RF will be seriously discredited by the Queen allowing Harry and Meghan to join the Jubilee celebrations.

... they (Daily Mail) just have to keep stoking the fire don't they? Feel the rage, readers!

The whole notion of being subservient to an individual who by an accident of birth is born into a family revered as having a divine right, is absurd.

But the fact remains that the Queen is still a human being and she has a family, and if she wants her grandson to be part of her 'last Hurrah', then for goodness' sake, what is the problem? Harry and Meghan are a totally self-absorbed couple and they've shown themselves to be immature and thoughtless on occasions... but they haven't murdered anyone, nor started a war. Can people not save their fury and anger for something more important?

All those who profess to "love our Queen" and are now pursing their lips in vinegary disapproval... can't you just give the woman a bloody break? The prodigal Harry is her grandson, he's family, she probably loves him. You might even have the same imprudent profligates in your own family.

I don't even know why, as a borderline Republican also, I feel so antagonised by the Daily Mail's fire-stoking. I'm feeling 'the rage', but not in the way they want it to be manipulated.

the absolute rubbish written about H&M in the Daily Fail today

Not sure if this is what is being referred to, but have seen a picture of Meghan and Harry being driven to the parade yesterday, and Meghan has opened her car window so she can be seen more clearly by the crowds. Harry apparently not so keen. Meghan not too worried about any security lapses it seems, happy to risk undoing the bullet proof window. (Well, I assume it was bullet proof).

Ladyleftfieldlover I am of much the same mind as you. You might be interested in this description of how a Citizen's Jury works

We could already be using them in our communities. As far as I can see, they are the only way the truth can compete with the drivel we get from the likes of the DM and its repetition, as if it is a truth, on forums such as GN.

Jumblygran

DaisyAnne it was certainly not my intention to bring any group alongside. These costs or gains are hard to measure, not living in the UK I am unaware of any discussion. The pomp and ceremony is part of how visitors see the culture of your country.

I do apologise for not being clear Jumblygran. I was agreeing with you and intended just to add to your argument. That's probably a clear indication that I shouldn't write posts so late at night

It is so interesting reading some of these comments, I am borderline Republican but until and unless there is a viable alternative, we should stick with what we have. Tax payers money was not used for these celebrations and if people want to enjoy those celebrations, I’m fine with that. I will be missing the Jubilee thing in my village but I’m not sad about that. What I am agitated and cross about this morning is the absolute rubbish written about H&M in the Daily Fail today.

The fur isn’t given away it costs £££s. There are cruelty free alternatives. The fur has no purpose other than decorative. Why wear the skin of a beautiful animal on your head when there’s no need?

“Culling”= unnecessary killing - just an excuse.

Well, the Queen has pulled out of going to the St Paul's Thanksgiving celebration today, so sounds as if she's had enough as well.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10879725/The-Queen-pulled-Fridays-St-Pauls-Cathedral-service.html

Given that the skins are from the necessary cull of Canadian Black Bears surely this is making use of something that would otherwise be wasted. The bears are not killed to especially provide the skins for this purpose.

I’m from a military family and like a flypast, but feel sad that each of those bearskins=one dead bear. No military purpose whatsoever, just for show and totally unecessary.

DaisyAnne it was certainly not my intention to bring any group alongside. These costs or gains are hard to measure, not living in the UK I am unaware of any discussion. The pomp and ceremony is part of how visitors see the culture of your country.

People know the cost is as spurious an argument Jumblygran. It is used in the same way as the message on the side of the bus or the threat that we would be over-run by Turkish citizens if we chose to remain in the EU.

There are certainly arguments for not having a Constitutional Monarchy. The "expense" of this event is typical "red meat" or unsubstantiated comment thrown towards those the speaker/writer thinks will bring a particular group on-side. This seems to have become the level of discussion politically.

It is not cynicism nor a forgetting of what these people had to face to ask what weapons designed for killing people have to do with this celebration.

I'm sure that others reading my reply didn't assume my comment on the cynicism of some was related to the March Past, Fly Past or the Gun Salutes. If anyone is still unsure, it was because of the disrespect shown towards our serving forces.

One day we may have a vote on changing from a Constitutional Monarchy to another system. If we decide to do that, I hope this time we do it properly and not as if it is a vote in a reality TV game. I would hope it would have a properly laid out super majority. I would also hope that we have Citizen Juries so that the country can learn about how the decision is affected by our history, our customs and our Constitution. It would also enable us to see the alternatives available and how they would be structured. If we go by some of the comments on this thread, knowledge seems sadly lacking in some areas. Knowing all the pros and cons all round would help us not repeat the recent referendum which left us with many people finding out, after the event, what the truth was about how it would affect them.