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Being morbid? Or sensible?

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NittWitt Mon 17-Jun-24 23:14:03

A friend and I are in a couple of groups together. At one group, today, the public liability insurance was mentioned.
That caused my friend, later, to say to me that the groups we're in should have our next of kin info.
I said it's not necessary because if someone becomes unconscious, you need to call a doctor or ambulance.
And if they are conscious they can tell you then who to call, or else you still need a doctor or ambulance.

So, do you think she's right that groups should ask for next of kin details?

LindaPat Tue 18-Jun-24 08:26:53

Like Tanith, I have Mr LP's phone numbers ( mobile, work, house landline ) listed under ICE in my phone contacts list. As she says, the emergency services know where to look first.

Take care xx

Marydoll Tue 18-Jun-24 08:43:44

A word of warning.

Recently there have been a spate of WhatsApp scams, where people have been contacted by scammers, who accessed their phone. They targeted people who had son/daughter listed and claimed they had lost their phone and needed money.

A much better idea to have it listed as EC or something similar.

Luckygirl3 Tue 18-Jun-24 09:05:45

I organise coach trips to classical concerts for the local U3A. I am required to have next of kin contact details.

Elegran Tue 18-Jun-24 09:11:43

Macadia

Sensible. The phrase "next of kin" sounds like you've popped your clogs. I vote for "emergency contact".

(My phone has a setting called I.C.E. where you enter an in-case of- emergency number that strangers can view even if your phone is locked with a password).

I too was going to suggest adding I C E (In Case of Emergency) to the entry of the person to call (or people, as the first one contacted may not answer) I have three contacts named, in this order - my brother, who lives only one street away but whose phone is often switched off, my son who lives at the other end of town but who probably has his phone on, and my daughter who lives further away and would take longest to reach me, but is the one most likely to answer immediately.

Paramedics would look in your phone for an ICE number.

nanna8 Tue 18-Jun-24 09:14:22

All the groups I am in do this. Even the very small ones. We have to sign an attendance sheet or at least tick our names. It means we are covered by insurance. Just commonsense really, especially as you get older.

Elegran Tue 18-Jun-24 09:35:13

Same here, and it was also happening way back in 1975 in the playgroup that my son was in. When parents are not on hand to be responsible for a child, then there must be a quick way to contact them in any emergency. The same is true of adults. Accidents happen, and people suddenly have medical emergencies - strokes, heart attacks, broken limbs, diabetic comas, all can occur in an instant. It isn't being morbid to be aware of this. Not acknowledging it is the sin. You add a few letters to a contact on your phone or written on a piece of paper in your purse or pocket, then you don't have to worry or obsess about it again.

HowVeryDareYou2 Tue 18-Jun-24 10:14:13

I used to be the Manager of a couple of groups, and one of the requirements when people joined was that they complete a form, giving emergency contact numbers and any serious medical conditions such as Epilepsy. Angina, etc. Also any allergies, and GP surgery.

I attend a group now, and the Manager has got everyone's next of kin details.

Greenfinch Tue 18-Jun-24 10:33:54

This thread has made me think, thank you. The charity I volunteer for has all my details but what if I have an accident driving there? I now have a couple of names and numbers in my purse.

halfpint1 Tue 18-Jun-24 10:42:32

Me too, good one

winterwhite Tue 18-Jun-24 10:47:26

What sort of groups? Morbid isn’t the word, but it seems to me health and safety in overdrive to require next of kin information for interest groups other than sports, or activity related classes.
Individuals with particular health concerns will always take care to have the relevant information about them. As others have said, the first contact will be the emergency services who can get hold of the right information. And sending a group member round to the person’s house or neighbour likely to get the speediest result re other contact.

Elegran Tue 18-Jun-24 10:59:37

Even people at a sedate book group could have a heart attack while sitting discussing the latest novel, and the others at the group may not know where they live or who their nearest relative is. Going to the address given to the group leader on registering could involve more than one bus, to an out-of town destination where most of the neighbours are at work and those at home don't have keys or know phone numbers of emergency contacts. Not every neighbourhood has everyone knowing everyone else's relations, they aren't all Coronation Street.

What is your objection to giving an emergency phone number to the organisers of a regular meeting?

Elegran Tue 18-Jun-24 11:04:39

The emergency services CAN'T get hold of the right information without a clue of some sort. Being told that the old lady who has collapsed and is unconscious is called Evelyn, lives somewhere to the west of town, has a daughter called Josie and didn't like the Salmon Rushdie book won't help them get word to her family that she is in hospital. If the group organisers have her address, they may do a little better, but they still may not find out how to contact Josie in time to be at her mother's bedside in time.

winterwhite Tue 18-Jun-24 15:49:21

I think - this is to Elegran - because it really does seem nanny-state-ish to me. We are all just as likely to have a heart attack crossing the road, in a supermarket, on a bus, on the beach as in a book group. It seems more realistic and much simpler for those concerned about what would happen in these circs to make sure that they always have the necessary information with them.
It also means presumably that the book group organiser has to have the inf on her own phone, and then if it’s lost or stolen…

M0nica Wed 19-Jun-24 10:24:04

But where do you stop? if a friend and I go for a walk should we each know each others emergency numbers

If I attend an open lecture, or a concert, or go tonthe theatreshould the organisers make everyone hand in their NoK details with their ticket?

I think it another case where responsibility should be handed firmly back to the indivdiual. They should akways have their NoK dteails and emergency numbers with them, on their phone, in a diary etc etc.

In the same way the first page of the filofax in my handbag has written across it in strong red capitals 'Allergic to pennicillin'

RosiesMaw Wed 19-Jun-24 11:11:59

If you have pets alone in the house you can carry a card saying so - it would be dreadful to think of a faithful dog or cat starving or dying of thirst on their own for several days.

janestheone Fri 21-Jun-24 11:11:33

ICE on your phone will suffice, surely?

JdotJ Fri 21-Jun-24 11:27:05

I have ICE as a name on my phone (In Case of Emergency).
It's my husbands no.

B9exchange Fri 21-Jun-24 11:37:31

ICE before a contact, which the emergency services have been trained to look for, won't be available if the phone is locked, which it should be for security. But there is a facility to put ICE and a name and contact number on the lock screen which will appear before unlocking. Go into Settings, then Display, and then Lock Screen on an Android phone, will be something similar on an iPhone.

Rainwashed Fri 21-Jun-24 12:17:43

Lots of you are saying have who to contact on your phone. However I don’t think anyone else would be able to access my phone contacts without knowing the passcode.Am I missing something .? Ok you can tell relatives etc the passcode but they might not be with you to,do,so.

knspol Fri 21-Jun-24 12:29:39

My phone has a section for contact numbers and you can put a red asterisk next to names and when they are selected there's a
red banner displayed that shows 'emergency contact'. I have my son's name on the list as an emergency contact and have just realised that my late DH is still listed as such.

B9exchange Fri 21-Jun-24 12:30:48

Perhaps we posted at the same time Rainwashed, but the answer is above.smile

Ktsmum Fri 21-Jun-24 12:41:03

You can save an emergency number under ICE in the contacts on yr phone, stands fot In Case of Emergency

rocketship Fri 21-Jun-24 12:57:23

Excellent idea!!! Our coffee group has an 'in case of emergency' contact list. smile

mokryna Fri 21-Jun-24 13:02:42

rafichagran

lemsip

on my phone I have the word 'son' next to his name, so anyone needing to look at it will know who to contact.

Good idea, I have just edited my daughters name with Daughter at the end. I never thought of this before.

But how do people open your phone for the information?

V3ra Fri 21-Jun-24 13:43:03

But how do people open your phone for the information?

On your phone lock screen, where you enter the passcode numbers you should also see a button that says "emergency"

On my Android that brings up a phone keypad, plus another button that says "view emergency info."

Go into that one and you can enter your details eg medical information and emergency contacts.

Anyone can access this information without knowing the passcode for your phone.
I was shown this facility at a First Aid training course.