EHRC suggestion on toilet facilities

Luminance*
It seems as if this thread has been brought to a halt with no new opinions expressed by women, perhaps frightened off by some responses.

By which responses would we be frightened off?
The ruling shows that women haven’t been frightened off by trans/TW lies and violence so they’re unlikely to be frightened off by your posts on here.

As eazybee said
Yesterday @ 22:27

*No need for any new responses; trans people have lavatories available for men and women, depending upon their sex, not gender. No special arrangements necessary.
As said before, it is the law.*

As Doodledogadded

Yesterday @ 22:36

Luminance
If you are frightened off by the fact that your attempts to derail and present pointless 'what if's have failed spectacularly, feel free to flounce. We are use to it on these threads. Most flouncers come back sooner or later in other guises though.

So if you have no new opinions, or you are perhaps frightened off by some responses on here . . .

Sayonara, 'Luminance'.

Mollygo

The OP asks what’s the issue?
The issue as we have seen here, is obviously that there is still no satisfactory way to prevent men from lying, that they have changed sex and breaking the law.

We have heard of reasons why it’s important to keep men out of women’s safe spaces, specifically toilets.

We have read several claims that I know someone who is trans and you’d never know.
Really, the number of people on GN who know the small % of TW and the even smaller number of you’d never know TW is amazing.

But if you know, how can you be certain no one else will, and does that excuse breaking the law?

Suggestions of how to solve things have been raised and explanations of the difficulties of providing them in different settings have been suggested.

The question of why provision for trans should always come from female spaces, rather than from male spaces remains unsolved. Possibly because TW, though male, still think they should be allowed into women’s spaces.
The same reasoning would be used if there were female, male and unisex provision.

They are supported in breaking the law, by some people who may, or may not actually be women, who still can’t admit that only a biological female can be a woman.

Whilst not being uncaring of the needs of those men who feel they are women, the primary care for most women is the safety of women.

The need for the ruling was caused by men, together with their violent supporters, and their behaviour, before and since the ruling has made the need for such a ruling even clearer.

The fact that such behaviour has also caused problems for other trans, obviously matters little to them.

Reasonable suggestions that trans should be the ones to sort their problems out are decried as being unkind or even trans hating.

Whatever toilet provision is made, the problem will remain, as long as some trans and fans continue to believe they are above the law.

You cannot be a transwoman, unless you were born male.
You cannot be a woman, unless you were born female.
NB wandering into the realms of DSD doesn't change that.

Reasonable suggestions that trans should be the ones to sort their problems out are decried as being unkind or even trans hating.

The issue is Mollygo that women have, traditionally, had to 'manage' men's sexual and emotional needs. The onus has been on us to "understand" and accommodate.

We - women - can discuss in theory how the allocation of toilet facilities might work after this ruling, and I'm sure none of us expect TW to run around with full bladders... but, it is not our problem to solve. TW (and TM) now exist in their own right, and they must sort this out themselves.

Mollygo 👏🏻👏🏻

The OP asks what’s the issue?
The issue as we have seen here, is obviously that there is still no satisfactory way to prevent men from lying, that they have changed sex and breaking the law.

We have heard of reasons why it’s important to keep men out of women’s safe spaces, specifically toilets.

We have read several claims that I know someone who is trans and you’d never know.
Really, the number of people on GN who know the small % of TW and the even smaller number of you’d never know TW is amazing.

But if you know, how can you be certain no one else will, and does that excuse breaking the law?

Suggestions of how to solve things have been raised and explanations of the difficulties of providing them in different settings have been suggested.

The question of why provision for trans should always come from female spaces, rather than from male spaces remains unsolved. Possibly because TW, though male, still think they should be allowed into women’s spaces.
The same reasoning would be used if there were female, male and unisex provision.

They are supported in breaking the law, by some people who may, or may not actually be women, who still can’t admit that only a biological female can be a woman.

Whilst not being uncaring of the needs of those men who feel they are women, the primary care for most women is the safety of women.

The need for the ruling was caused by men, together with their violent supporters, and their behaviour, before and since the ruling has made the need for such a ruling even clearer.

The fact that such behaviour has also caused problems for other trans, obviously matters little to them.

Reasonable suggestions that trans should be the ones to sort their problems out are decried as being unkind or even trans hating.

Whatever toilet provision is made, the problem will remain, as long as some trans and fans continue to believe they are above the law.

You cannot be a transwoman, unless you were born male.
You cannot be a woman, unless you were born female.
NB wandering into the realms of DSD doesn't change that.

It seems to me that the thread has reached a natural end ( "this is the way the world ends, not with a bang but a whimper" ) because all that can be said has been said. The legal position is that a man is a man and a woman is a woman. It is up to individual organisations to keep this in mind when providing suitable toilet facilities for their customers/clients, and posters on this social media chat site are not responsible for telling them how best to do so, nor even obliged to discuss the matter at all if they don't want to.

I suggest that you contact any organisation that you are aware is having difficulty deciding what to do, Luminance and give them the direct benefit of your advice.

Luminance

It seems as if this thread has been brought to a halt with no new opinions expressed by women, perhaps frightened off by some responses. Good day.

If you are frightened off by the fact that your attempts to derail and present pointless 'what if's have failed spectacularly, feel free to flounce. We are use to it on these threads. Most flouncers come back sooner or later in other guises though.

Sayonara, 'Luminance'.

Actually it is Good evening or Good night.
I've been watching the VE parade; far more interesting.

No need for any new responses; trans people have lavatories available for men and women, depending upon their sex, not gender. No special arrangements necessary.
As said before, it is the law.

It seems as if this thread has been brought to a halt with no new opinions expressed by women, perhaps frightened off by some responses. Good day.

Elegran

I came back to this thread after being out or busy all day. It has become very boring and repetitive, I think I shall go and read about something more interesting, such as April Fool's Day, or the Grand National.

Darkest Hour is quite interesting.

I came back to this thread after being out or busy all day. It has become very boring and repetitive, I think I shall go and read about something more interesting, such as April Fool's Day, or the Grand National.

Like Whack-A-Mole MollyGo?

Carlotta

You're keeping someone entertained MollyGo

Oh I know, but I’m used to dealing with
“But what if’s” from children. They do that a lot.

It's rather up to businesses and organisations how they handle that I would have thought. That way they can make things comfortable for themselves and visitors if they have them. Trans people did not stop existing after the ruling so it may depend on staffing or average clientele.

Primarily female staffed organisations still have male staff and visitors, but they are able to provide lavatories for both sexes, there is no problem.

You're keeping someone entertained MollyGo

Luminance

Changing the labels will fix the issue at hand then. Cost effective for small businesses as well.

What issue at hand?
If there are no instances of only one toilet labelled as anything except toilet or WC, what labels do you want to change?

eazybee I shared your confusion @ 17.09. Just a string of incoherent random words thrown together for the hell of it.

Changing the labels will fix the issue at hand then. Cost effective for small businesses as well.

We are indeed going round in circles.

Because some people still don’t accept
that the law says you may not use toilets labelled for the opposite sex from you.
They are then once again desperately raising the what if situations because they don’t like the rule.

Only one toilet-in places like cafes or elsewhere are never in my experience both in the UK or abroad, labelled anything except toilet or WC.

If perchance they were labelled by sex in the UK, then one group would have to do as eazybee said above because it’s the law.

Well yes but here we are going around in the same circles. For what it is worth, a single secure toilet is fine for me and from personal experience of walking in to primarily female staffed organisations, that redundant mens cubicle can then be put to far better use.

I assume you mean only one toilet available, in which case it is available to both sexes , but only one at a time.
Should it be labelled male, or female, the opposite sex will have to find another one elsewhere.
And if they are desperate, then there will be a nasty accident, and they will have to clean it up and learn to check out toilet facilities in good time in future.

Thats already been discussed Luminance

Didn’t you RTWT?

Luminance

What if there is only one toilet available for a space?

???

What if there is only one toilet available for a space?

No problem.
Women use female lavatories; men use male lavatories.
Perfectly simple.