Petition to stop the EARLY RELEASE for PC Harpers killers

GrannyGravy13

It was reported that 50 of the top police officers in the U.K. have signed a letter to Andy Burnham to stop the early release of these two individuals.

Also that the probation service is unable to cope with all the early releases, and they are talking about going on strike…

(Breakfast News ITV 12/08)

And I’m waiting for all these professional critics to say how the CJS will handle the shortage, indeed complete absence , of prison places for new people being charged who should be remanded in custody or those sentenced to imprisonment by the courts. That’s why it’s so difficult for the government. And the top police officers know full well that there is no lawful way to stop the release of these two without keeping the other 470 prisoners in the same category in. To do this, those 470 places have to be found elsewhere lawfully. I think the professional critics , especially the police, are behaving disgracefully jumping on this bandwagon. I might almost be tempted to see it as a distraction tactic from the Levy case where women were murdered because the police, inter alia, were not doing their job properly and in fact making value judgements about the low value of sex workers in taking crimes against them seriously. Shades of Peter Sutcliffe which proves how little they’ve learned. I believe the government desperately wants a solution but a lawful solution. We should applaud them for that and the police chiefs in particular should stfu and get back to the offices and do something about the misogyny snd violence against women and girls in our society and incompetence of areas of the police service in dealing with it

It was reported that 50 of the top police officers in the U.K. have signed a letter to Andy Burnham to stop the early release of these two individuals.

Also that the probation service is unable to cope with all the early releases, and they are talking about going on strike…

(Breakfast News ITV 12/08)

Yes and injustice should be remedied through the proper channels not just populist reaction picking off individual cases. That’s why this is complicated and has to done fairly to everyone not just the individuals in one particularly gut wrenching case.

The Law is generally just, but there is also injustice, which has to be remedied. That is the mark of a civilised society.

I get rather tired of ‘it had been my husband/daughter/grandaughter ‘ argument. Of course we would feel differently. That’s why we have a legal system because mo civilised society can leave retribution to heart broken relatives. And that’s before we factor in hatred and prejudice towards certain groups which skews vigilante justice and makes it anything but just.

Hmmmm,

I did reflect that had they been released they wouldn't have had a warm welcome. People may well express their feelings for right or wrong.
Prison may not have been the worst punishment. Some in prison might even have been - well...

They disgust me.

Sunshinegirls

Andy Burnham has said he is “increasingly confident” that Pc Andrew Harper’s killers will not be eligible for early release.

The Prime Minister said in a statement on Tuesday morning that he was determined that Albert Bowers and Jessie Cole, who were jailed for 13 years in 2020 for manslaughter, would serve their full sentences. (The Daily Tekegraph)

Only two things I hope for from Andy Burnham, is smash the gangs & keep these two little evil swines under lock & key to serve their full sentences.
If it had been my husband dragged to his death I would have liked to slap that grin right off both their. faces.

JenniRen

We should never forget that this was a horrific death, just horrendous and deliberate, and these 'little tykes' were complicit and still seemed to find it amusing when they were in court.

The word should never have been used in the first place.

We should never forget that this was a horrific death, just horrendous and deliberate, and these 'little tykes' were complicit and still seemed to find it amusing when they were in court.

I’m from Yorkshire. I know what a tyke is and it isn’t a word to describe these two .

Little tykes! Makes them seem like toddlers.
Clearly bad little swines- probably laughing & cheering in that car whilst that poor copper was being dragged around like fresh kill.

Casdon

No, Sunshinegirls, he agrees with me. Understand the implications, mitigate them, then act.

Exactly

No, Sunshinegirls, he agrees with me. Understand the implications, mitigate them, then act.

09:44Casdon

Seem Burnham agrees with me.

Wyllow3

Casdons point on - what happens when new inmates are even worse than this crime then there is no room? It's a whole series of ghastly Hobsons' choices.

My heart is saying don’t let these little tykes out.

My head realises that they were passengers in the car and therefore not in control, I despise the way they acted in court and after they were sentenced.

But, the law is the law, and as it stands I guess they will be released early 2027.

WWM2

Lack of remorse does seem to be taken into account when someone is being considered for parole - so maybe that is the route to take?

A judge can also take that into account when sentencing, though I don't think the sentence can be increased beyond what the crime legally warrants.

Although many will disagree - maybe it should be taken into account when considering early release - albeit to free up more prison spaces.

Obviously public opinion in general cannot dictate the release programme, but the public must have faith in the judiciary. So maybe their obvious lack of remorse - in fact, they exhibited quite the opposite - should be addressed?

There are sometimes 'exceptions' to Rules and Law - is this one of them?

Andy Burnham has said he is “increasingly confident” that Pc Andrew Harper’s killers will not be eligible for early release.

The Prime Minister said in a statement on Tuesday morning that he was determined that Albert Bowers and Jessie Cole, who were jailed for 13 years in 2020 for manslaughter, would serve their full sentences. (The Daily Tekegraph)

I’m satisfied with Andy Burnham as PM to date. He’s an experienced politician who isn’t afraid to be thoughtful as well as decisive. It’s feeling like a Labour government which will irritate some but is making me smile

As we thought. Introduction of new legislation needed.

Casdons point on - what happens when new inmates are even worse than this crime then there is no room? It's a whole series of ghastly Hobsons' choices.

Another one in the news today, fortunately this officer didn’t die. A woman, mother of four, works for the Royal College of Physicians believe it or not, dragged a police officer along the road in her Range Rover and has left him with life changing injuries. Partner doesn’t work. Four kids, come over from Bermuda. No prison sentence. Drunk driver. Abusive to the police officer arresting her.
Let’s hope there is an appeal and it’s referred to the Atorney General for undue leniency.

Candace deSilva Diversity rep… of course she is.

Tuliptree

Cabbie21

Apparently they can’t just decide on individual cases, but whole categories of offenders.

Exactly that and quite rightly so

It can't be any other way than this! Public outcry cannot be allowed to overwhelm this.

If there were more prisons then no one in those categories would be released early.

AB has no choice. How on earth can we reduce these sort of decisions without more prisons and where is the money supposed to be come from when the choices include a half decent care system.

Yes, my heart goes out on this disgusting crime, 😡 but what else?

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Whitewavemark2

Casdon

It’s not that simple Smileless2012, because lack of remorse shown at sentencing is not a legal category? You have to differentiate on the basis of difference in the crime committed when you change the sentencing rules, not make an exception because of attitude.

Lack of remorse does seem to be taken into account when someone is being considered for parole - so maybe that is the route to take?

To a degree, but not just at sentencing, and we don’t know how many other people fit into the same category, which is as long as a piece of string - that is the assessment I’m sure is being made now.

What hasn’t been mentioned on the thread is the knock on implication in terms of prison places being blocked for new inmates as a result of a decision which potentially impacts a large number of people.

I think the problem with this thread is that we are divided into head people and heart people!

Jaxjacky

‘of their ilk’ you really have some turns of phrase Silvershadow.

I’m glad you like them. And I’ll be sure to think of a few more for you.