Petition to stop the EARLY RELEASE for PC Harpers killers

That is it in a nutshell essybee. I would take great satisfaction in seeing their smug m

Over 740,000 signatures this morning...

Signed and shared on Twitter.

Bowers and Coles' contemptuous and contemptible attitude during their arrest, trial and subsequent imprisonment has provoked the outrage many feel at the prospect of their early release, and a genuine concern that they are dangerous and a threat to the public.
This is what the government needs to consider, and Burnham needs to get back to work, here, now with his cabinet to deal with this problem, which is now his.
I have no idea about karma but I do think, 'whatever a man sows, that he shall reap.'

This was a horrendous murder; they knew full well what they were doing or party to and their original sentences were far too lenient.
They were contemptuous of the court too.

Just picking and choosing from a variety of possible meanings of Karma is really a bit of a nonsense . An impersonal law which sorts out injustices in the CJS? Really?

No they didn't deserve it Tuliptree. My eldest son didn't deserve to be born with an extremely rare untreatable syndrome. Nobody does. There are misconceptions about Karma. I like one from Buddhism... It's not a system of cosmic punishment or reward handed down by a deity but rather an impersonal law similar to gravity.

Great to see so many signatures on the petition V3ra 😊

Religions believe in all sorts of things - it docsn’t make them true - they are just beliefs. As for Karma, if someone is diagnosed with terminal cancer, did they deserve it? If someone’s cancer is diagnosed early did they deserve that too?

Well some people believe there is. It is seen and recognised in many human life cycles. It is deeply steeped in many religious groups and other traditions. Which IMO should be respected. And of course this is an emotional topic.,.as humans we have multiple facets to our personalities and characters. Thank goodness we, mostly, do.

Meanwhile... the petition has over 702,000 signatures now.

Oh no it doesn’t 😂

As this is an extra early release scheme we should be demanding it be evidenced based.
In the meantime there is always Karma "What goes around comes around"

All I’m saying is what the situation is not what it should be so don’t be so sarcastic. I’m not an apologist for the current scheme in any way, shape or form but I do know the facts and the legal position and don’t let emotion get in the way. What I do know for a fact is that if the so called party of law and order had taken the CJS seriously, we wouldn’t be in this situation now re early release. Btw, when people are released under the ‘normal’ early release scheme ( after two thirds served) there’s no requirement to be rehabilitated.

Well I certainly hope that plays a part in an early release wouldn't you? I wonder if you are a little bogged down with statistics and the rule of the law. I know you now might give all the reasons why the rule of law must be obeyed and I agree. So that is why we should demand evidence of rehabilitation success. Sadly it only comes out with reoffending stats. Way too late... perhaps we should be asking different questions.

Is anyone saying they’ve been rehabilitated? It’s not a condition of release for this scheme is if?

Thanks for the link to the petition. If the rule of law has to be followed, then I would like a petition that demands a full and comprehensive evidenced report on their supposed rehabilitation. Their obscene, mocking and arrogant faces, and behaviour didn't give me much hope of showing an ounce of remorse. Those images are uppermost in my mind.

There really isn’t. Good things happen to both good and bad people. Bad things happen to both bad and good people. Some people apparently reap what they have sown, some people reap what others have sown and many work hard sowing and reap nothing. Believing in karma is just a coping strategy or an excuse to do nothing

Tuliptree

There’s no such thing as karma.

Oh yes there is! Very definitely.

It wouldn’t, because by that token we would receive back to the UK all our nationals who are in prison overseas. Net gain zero.

If those from other countries who are serving time in prisons, were deported to serve time in their own countries, it would free enough prison spaces that there would be no need to release British prisoners serving less time that their sentence.

Tuliptree

Oh I see what you mean Well I don’t know but what I do know is that in the UK the murder of emergency workers is incredibly rare ( thank goodness).

I looked up to see how many are murdered or seriously injured per year, AI response:

‘While exact annual figures for emergency workers explicitly murdered by assault are low and vary year-on-year (typically in the single digits), tens of thousands are physically attacked or seriously injured annually in the UK. Around 14,200 adult offenders are formally sentenced each year for assaulting emergency workers, alongside over 22,500 violent incidents recorded annually against ambulance staff alone.’

I don’t really feel any the wiser on what it would mean in terms of precedent if PC Harper’s assailants were made to serve the full sentence though,

There’s no such thing as karma.

There is such tremendously strong feelings about this that, whenever they get out, I'm sure that Karma will be administered.

I doubt they'll be laughing when set foot outside the security of prison.

Oh I see what you mean Well I don’t know but what I do know is that in the UK the murder of emergency workers is incredibly rare ( thank goodness).