The ghoulishness of Hallowe’en?

As Annie said, All Saints’ Day is 1st and All Souls’ Day is 2nd.
Possibly Halloween has nothing to do with All Saints.

They are all variations of the same celebration where the distance between the spirit world and the "real" world is lessened.

pumkin?
pumpkin.

I did grow some one year, but they weren't very large.

Mine will have a real pumkin

And a bat or two.
The cats are already in situ (and real).

Oh we have the wooden stuff as well muffin. It bothers me slightly less (I just try not to think of it as trees!)

Mine have a lot of wooden tat. At least it will biodegrade!!

I agree about all the plastic tat that is now on sale targetted at young children*Jalima1108*. It sometimes horrifies me how much stuff my DGCs have. (And some of it is second hand but still too much)

Halloween means the eve of All Saints Day which was also called All Hallows’ Day so - eve of All Hallows Day

Me too, but unfortunately the genie can’t be put back into the bottle. We are stuck with the awfulness and the tat.
I keep hoping that there will be a backlash by consumers against plastic tat at least.

As Annie said, All Saints’ Day is 1st and All Souls’ Day is 2nd.
Possibly Halloween has nothing to do with All Saints.

How interesting Jane. Don’t think I’ve got Dunning-Kruger cognition bias, but interesting to read about it. There was a girl at school, come to think about it, who bigged herself up no end about highly unlikely scenarios. Quite sad in a way.

Actually the origins of All Hallows is widely debated. Some link it to the Celtic ceremony of Samrhain some don't. In some religions it is celebrated earlier in the year. www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/holydays/halloween_1.shtml

That’s interesting Jane, think I’ll have to join you as one of the lesser mortals.

In other words,Janeainsworth, it's a " social problem ?" I have heard of this " affliction " and along with all others is a quirk of a person's personality---------but nothing that would unduly bother me as I'm thick-skinned

Halloween realy is Hallow Eve.

Hallow as in the Lord’s Prayer, hallowed be thy name.

It means the eve of All Saints Day when Saints and Martyrs are remembered = hallowed .

I came across this today and thought I would just leave it here, for all the lesser mortals like myself on Gransnet ?
the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people of low ability have illusory superiority and mistakenly assess their cognitive ability as greater than it is. The cognitive bias of illusory superiority comes from the inability of low-ability people to recognize their lack of ability.

Exactly Anniebach thank you.

Our local Christian church fellowship has an event on Halloween called Lights, to help counter this which is about light and love in the world. Alot of children attend this (no Halloween masks allowed) from within and out of the church (secular) and then many of them go on to do Halloween after. Sighs! We just try to offer an alternative

All Saints Day, 1st November when all Saints and Martyrs , known and unknown throughout hidtory remembered

All Souls Day 2nd November when the faithful departed are remembered

Me too, but unfortunately the genie can’t be put back into the bottle. We are stuck with the awfulness and the tat.

I also wholeheartedly agree with you Eloethan.

I wasn’t keen on Halloween when my children were young as I didn’t like them knocking on people’s doirs asking for sweets as to me it’s essentially begging. Also there were several incidents that occurred in our village involving eggs being thrown and general bad behaviour by teenagers whereby the police would end up being called. I’ve mellowed a bit, I don’t mind a Halloween party but I still don’t like the trick or treat element. Also why is all the Halloween stuff in supermarkets so incredibly tacky? I think I’d rather we celebrated the Mexican Day of The Dead Festival at least it doesn’t involve blood and gore and throwing eggs

Eloethan, I wholeheartedly agree with everything in your post ??

I haven't had the time to read anything but the first page of this thread so please excuse me if I am repeating what others have said.

I am not a fan of Halloween. However, if it consisted of cobwebs, pumpkins, witches with broomsticks and pointy hats, apple bobbing, ghost stories - that type of thing - I would not find it offensive.

In its current form, I think it is absolutely vile. Over recent years I have seen an escalation in the sheer brutality of the occasion - a window with the silhouette of a man brandishing a long knife and a women cowering in front of him. I have seen lifelike looking dismembered, bloodied hands, terribly disfigured faces, etc. etc. etc.

In my opinion, this is a celebration of the very depths of human behaviour and personal tragedy and I think it is despicable to use this as entertainment for children.

But really it's all about money - the ghastly tat in the supermarkets, the selling of party food, costumes and the like. Any opportunity to big up the event and make more money.

Jalima; You're not dim; you're a livewire!
I wish Rufus
(shattered after just half a day's shopping )

Moggie is is the same thing. Just different interpretations of it. The common theme is that the veil is thin, your loved ones can give you direction through prayer is one of them.

It is not about "evil" it is about the WHOLE spectrum