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Ana Thu 15-May-14 20:18:22

Well, all right then...I stand corrected! A car is still a big 'investment' to some people though, and still a bit of a gamble! grin

janeainsworth Thu 15-May-14 20:12:52

Ana a car purchase is the sort of investment where you can be sure that the value of your investment will go down, and you definitely won't get any income from it, unless you're a taxi driver!

Ana Thu 15-May-14 19:06:22

Obviously not...hmm

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 15-May-14 19:06:16

I don't think ther book is aimed particularly at older people. Not if the reviews are anything to go by.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 15-May-14 19:05:33

Yes. It is. Sort of. hmm

Not a money in an account sort of thing though. hmm

Ana Thu 15-May-14 18:57:22

Surely a car is a financial investment, jingl? confused

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 15-May-14 18:56:33

From a customer's review on Amazon:

"Even if you are just about to change your car at a main dealer you need to read the chapter on car buying to learn the dealer's tricks awaiting you."

What has that to do with financial investments?! confused

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 15-May-14 18:54:45

Having looked on Amazon I think the blog is misleading! The book seems to cover a lot more than elderly people and their money. It's about all kinds of sales people and their selling techniques. Sounds a good read actually! shockgrin

janeainsworth Thu 15-May-14 18:10:20

I agree holly.
The blog certainly hasn't tempted me to buy the book!
I think the next best advice, after papaoscars, is never buy a financial product you don't completely understand, and only deal with a qualified financial planner or advisor.

papaoscar Thu 15-May-14 17:48:46

National Savings & Investments, HD, tho' their interest rates are poor and more and more of their stuff is on-line, but at least its safe (I hope!) I think they have a new higher-interest Pensioner's Bond starting at the end of the year.

HollyDaze Thu 15-May-14 17:16:50

The article could have been more helpful by giving some positive advice on where older people can place their money which isn't at such high risk.

Mishap Thu 15-May-14 16:33:44

As I have posted here before, my Dad (then 85, now dead) was (at the point when my mum died) sold some ridiculous "product" by Lloyds which did not bear fruit for 2 years and incurred an annual fee. It was inappropriate and disgraceful - the only reason we did not complain was because we did not want him to feel like an idiot.

papaoscar Thu 15-May-14 13:14:29

Good advice. Everybody should be aware of the predatory conduct of some sellers of financial products. We old'uns are particularly vulnerable. Sadly, the large financial institutions are often no better than some of the independent advisors. Best advice I've heard - if it looks and sounds to good, don't touch it. And don't hesitate to tell the advisor to xxxx off, its your money after all!

LucyGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 15-May-14 11:43:45

Money: don't join the "banana skin and grave brigade"

David Craig describes the underhand tactics of financial salespeople when approaching older customers, and the dangers of not talking about money with elderly relatives.

David Craig

Money: don't join the "grave brigade"

Posted on: Thu 15-May-14 11:43:45

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The salespeople that prey on elderly and vulnerable customers

Of all the horrors I found working in the financial services industry, the one that probably shocked me the most was how people in financial services treat those approaching or above retirement age. Financial services salespeople often call those close to retirement or already retired "the banana skin and grave brigade" because they have one foot on a financial banana skin, as they don't know much about savings and investments, and the other in the grave as they'll presumably soon be going on to a better place where they won't be needing their money any more.

I once even saw two supposed "financial advisers" (actually salespeople) working for a high street bank laughing and joking over the case of a pensioner who had lost about half his life savings, more than £100,000, because the pensioner placed the money in one fund the salesperson had recommended as being "safe" when in fact it put savers' money into extremely high risk and disastrous investments.

Many financial sellers specialise in the lucrative market of selling to retirees and those planning their retirement. They can have titles like "senior wealth advisers", "retirement planning advisers", "elder planning specialists" or even the rather scientific-sounding "financial gerontologist". Typically these sellers use what sales trainers call FaG selling (Fear and Greed) - they exploit older people's fear of living longer than their money lasts and their greed when offered seemingly attractive opportunities to increase their savings.

We need to overcome our reticence, ask our elderly friends and relatives about their money, find out who is chasing them to get hold of their cash


One set of dubious products typically sold and mis-sold to banana-skin-and-gravers are longer-term (five or more years) stock market investments with punitive penalties for early withdrawal. One company even specialised in selling these to people already in care homes. Naturally, quite a few customers died before their investments matured and their heirs found that, after deduction of early-withdrawal penalties, the investment companies returned considerably less than had been invested.

If older people don't have much ready cash available, that hasn't deterred eager financial sellers. Although some over 65s may have limited pensions and savings, many own their own homes making them what's called asset-rich but cash-poor. Seeing the potential of the asset-rich cash-poor market, financial firms have devised various schemes, often called "equity release", which promise to free up some or all of the value in their customers’ homes allowing them to live more comfortably until they die in return for the firms taking part or whole ownership of their customers' properties.

Interest rates on these equity release loans tend to be quite high – close to six or even seven per cent. So, thanks to the wonders of compound interest, sums that appear quite modest when originally borrowed can turn into massive debts. For example, someone aged sixty five borrowing the average equity release loan of £53,000 against a home worth £200,000 would find their debt had shot up to about £100,000 after ten years and £200,000 – the total value of their home – by the time they hit eighty five.

In Britain we're often uncomfortable talking about money with our parents and elderly relatives. We feel it might look like we're on a fishing expedition trying to find out how much we might get from them. But if we want to prevent those we know joining the "banana skin and grave brigade" we need to overcome our reticence, ask our elderly friends and relatives about their money, find out who is chasing them to get hold of their cash and warn them about the dangers of handing over their savings to commission-hungry salespeople.

David Craig is the author of Don't Buy It! Tricks and Traps Salespeople use and How to Beat Them (Thistle Publishing) which is available from Amazon.

By David Craig

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