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LucyGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 19-Feb-15 15:34:17

Dog poo wars

Villem Saks contemplates the humble dog poo. Is it as much of a problem as it seems? Or are village dog poo <fanatics> prowlers fixing their beady eyes on the wrong problem? Villem considers...

Villem Saks

Dog poo wars

Posted on: Thu 19-Feb-15 15:34:17

(135 comments )

Lead photo

Villem's late canine companion, Rocky.

Poor old dogs, they get a bum deal. Horses produce manure and cats do their business, yet dogs 'foul' or produce 'mess'. Granted, getting the stuff on your shoes and walking it across a clean carpet isn’t fun, but that’s about as bad as it gets.

So why does it divide communities and why do some of us recoil in horror at the stuff? Let's start by choosing the right word for it. I'm sticking with turd. Sure it's a little coarse but it has impeccable heritage in that it comes from the Old Norse tordyfill meaning dung beetle. I reckon humans are repelled by dog turds because deep down, psychologically, they remind us of our own. There's no research to quote but maybe it's an evolutionary thing which maintains our perceived superiority over lesser mammals. The notion that our waste products look and often smell the same as dogs is an affront and might be upsetting for many people.
There is the big issue of kids going blind from Toxocariasis which is caused by roundworms in dog turds. If children eat them then there could be a risk of infection. However, according to the NHS there have only been 30 cases in England and Wales between 2000 and 2010. Cases that involve blindness are rare.

In many villages and towns there are ongoing crusades to wipe out dog turds from public places with the use of ruthless highly-trained Council Response Against Poo operatives who will stalk and fine anyone seen committing a turd offence.


Recent anti dog turd signage also blames domestic dogs as a major cause of the apocalyptic sounding Neosporosis which causes cattle to abort. However, according to many vets the science is not conclusive. Some maintain that it is mainly farm dogs which carry the cysts that infect cattle. And yet these diseases are touted as major health risks. In many villages and towns there are ongoing crusades to wipe out dog turds from public places with the use of ruthless highly-trained Council Response Against Poo operatives who will stalk and fine anyone seen committing a turd offence. They will liaise with curtain-twitching residents who, on orders from many local parish and town councils, will be expected to report their neighbours giving a description of the poor mutt and details of the errant deposition.

There is some rationale for implementing a program of information and enforcement in urban areas but is it a problem in the village environment? There's no doubt there are those who let their dogs deposit anywhere including the weird people who pick up nicely in a plastic bag and then toss it into a hedge where it hangs forlornly; presumably waiting for the Dog Turd Collection team from the local authority.

It’s really a matter of common sense. Pick up where it is plainly apparent that someone could step in it. Bagging a turd on a wind-swept hill or farmer's field seems like overkill. An agile flick of the boot which sends the offending lump into a hedge or stream is not going to cause an outbreak of bubonic plague.

The maximum fixed penalty for failing to pick up a dog turd is £1,000. In the UK each year about 2,400 children are killed or seriously injured on the road. Many of these accidents are caused by excessive speed. The maximum fine for speeding is also £1,000. There are speed gun patrols in some villages but when it comes to installing bumps or flashing signs, the Parish council bleats on about the cost and how it will impinge upon character of the village. Dog turds, it seems, are more of a problem.

Villem Saks is the author of How to survive the English Village: a guide for retirees, returning expats and folk not from these parts, available from Amazon.

By Villem Saks

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Ana Sat 28-Mar-15 14:16:29

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Anya Sat 28-Mar-15 14:17:14

Tongue may be in cheek, but it's all true!

durhamjen Sat 28-Mar-15 14:39:29

What time of year was it, Anya? Not the mating season, obviously, because they are black-headed then!

I do think it strange when dog owners are picking up dog poo next to piles of horse manure on the Valley railway.
I remember in York they tried horse nappies for the horses pulling the carriages. I do not think it lasted long.
Horse owners take their horses back to the stables and spend hours cleaning them down, but are never prepared to go out and clear up after their horses. Why not? Should they be made to?

Anya Sat 28-Mar-15 14:49:24

No, they never have black heads Jen they gave very dark brown heads in the mating season and a very dark brown spot on the side of the head at other times.

Anya Sat 28-Mar-15 14:50:20

Of course horse owners shouldn't be required to pick up horse droppings.

Anya Sat 28-Mar-15 14:59:07

It's just chewed up grasses.

durhamjen Sat 28-Mar-15 15:44:32

Messy chewed up grass when it rains, though. At least it's big enough to avoid on the Valley railway.

The gulls that flew past me today certainly looked like they had black heads. Must be the mating season. Couldn't get close enough to see if it was very dark brown or black.

Elegran Sat 28-Mar-15 16:03:58

Horse manure is vegetarian manure, it doesn't smell as bad as carnivore manure.

Anya Sat 28-Mar-15 16:20:19

You have to sneak up on them jen

durhamjen Sat 28-Mar-15 16:31:00

Have to do a bit more exercise and get faster and more cunning, Anya.
Not got long, though, because they'll lose their black heads.

My manure is vegetarian, Elegran, but I haven't got a sense of smell, so I do not know if it smells less than a carnivores. Actually, not many carnivores use my toilet, either.

Anya Sat 28-Mar-15 16:33:31

Their brown heads Jen wink

Anya Sat 28-Mar-15 16:34:49

Did you lose your sense of smell or have you never had one? I can imagine that lack would be useful in some occupations.

durhamjen Sat 28-Mar-15 16:53:19

Never had one as far as I know, Anya. It has been suggested that when I had an arrow in my eye which damaged the optic nerve, the olfactory nerve was damaged too. Apparently they are quite close. That was on my fifth birthday. I can taste food okay, but not smell it, which was fortunate when I had a vegetarian cafe.

A couple of weeks ago, I took a photo of what I thought was a black- headed gull flying over the sheep in the field at the back of my house. Imagine my surprise when I enlarged it and discovered it was a heron flying away from me, not the black-headed gull.

whitewave Sat 28-Mar-15 17:03:08

My Cairn is getting very upset by this discussion. His toilet arrangements are really something he would rather not discuss.

annodomini Sat 28-Mar-15 17:05:10

In the days when butchers and bakers delivered by horse drawn cart, my Dad used to rush out with a shovel and collect the manure for the garden.

durhamjen Sat 28-Mar-15 17:06:15

Tell him to stop reading, whitewave.

Have you asked him what he thinks about stepping in horse manure when you take him out for a walk?

Anya Sat 28-Mar-15 17:16:38

It's easy to mistake a heron for the erroneously named black- headed gull Jen especially if you are colour blind smile

Anya Sat 28-Mar-15 17:18:15

Whitewave is that the famous tortoise crunching Cairn?

durhamjen Sat 28-Mar-15 17:26:38

Not colour blind, just blind in one eye, although my husband and I used to argue about blues and greens occasionally. Never about black and brown.

Now if I'd had my binoculars, I would have been able to tell at the time, but I only had a camera.

Anya Sat 28-Mar-15 17:34:18

Do you really need binoculars then Jen ? wink

Elegran Sat 28-Mar-15 17:43:58

I have a friend who is blind in one eye. She has a monocular instead of binolculars- says it takes up less space in her handbag and cost less.

durhamjen Sat 28-Mar-15 17:51:28

I do have a monocular as well, but it's not as powerful as the binoculars. When I am out with the family it means they can use the binoculars.
Unfortunately I was on my own when I saw the heron. Otherwise my son would have been able to tell me it was not a black headed gull.

Anya Sat 28-Mar-15 17:54:09

Or not'as the case may be!

durhamjen Sat 28-Mar-15 18:03:47

My monocular is not as easily adjustable, and sometimes gives coloured halos round objects, so that would make it even more difficult to tell the black headed gull from the heron when it's flying away from me.

Ana Sat 28-Mar-15 18:08:18

Sounds as though it's easier to take photos, and surprise yourself when you enlarge them!