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LucyGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 19-Feb-15 15:34:17

Dog poo wars

Villem Saks contemplates the humble dog poo. Is it as much of a problem as it seems? Or are village dog poo <fanatics> prowlers fixing their beady eyes on the wrong problem? Villem considers...

Villem Saks

Dog poo wars

Posted on: Thu 19-Feb-15 15:34:17

(135 comments )

Lead photo

Villem's late canine companion, Rocky.

Poor old dogs, they get a bum deal. Horses produce manure and cats do their business, yet dogs 'foul' or produce 'mess'. Granted, getting the stuff on your shoes and walking it across a clean carpet isn’t fun, but that’s about as bad as it gets.

So why does it divide communities and why do some of us recoil in horror at the stuff? Let's start by choosing the right word for it. I'm sticking with turd. Sure it's a little coarse but it has impeccable heritage in that it comes from the Old Norse tordyfill meaning dung beetle. I reckon humans are repelled by dog turds because deep down, psychologically, they remind us of our own. There's no research to quote but maybe it's an evolutionary thing which maintains our perceived superiority over lesser mammals. The notion that our waste products look and often smell the same as dogs is an affront and might be upsetting for many people.
There is the big issue of kids going blind from Toxocariasis which is caused by roundworms in dog turds. If children eat them then there could be a risk of infection. However, according to the NHS there have only been 30 cases in England and Wales between 2000 and 2010. Cases that involve blindness are rare.

In many villages and towns there are ongoing crusades to wipe out dog turds from public places with the use of ruthless highly-trained Council Response Against Poo operatives who will stalk and fine anyone seen committing a turd offence.


Recent anti dog turd signage also blames domestic dogs as a major cause of the apocalyptic sounding Neosporosis which causes cattle to abort. However, according to many vets the science is not conclusive. Some maintain that it is mainly farm dogs which carry the cysts that infect cattle. And yet these diseases are touted as major health risks. In many villages and towns there are ongoing crusades to wipe out dog turds from public places with the use of ruthless highly-trained Council Response Against Poo operatives who will stalk and fine anyone seen committing a turd offence. They will liaise with curtain-twitching residents who, on orders from many local parish and town councils, will be expected to report their neighbours giving a description of the poor mutt and details of the errant deposition.

There is some rationale for implementing a program of information and enforcement in urban areas but is it a problem in the village environment? There's no doubt there are those who let their dogs deposit anywhere including the weird people who pick up nicely in a plastic bag and then toss it into a hedge where it hangs forlornly; presumably waiting for the Dog Turd Collection team from the local authority.

It’s really a matter of common sense. Pick up where it is plainly apparent that someone could step in it. Bagging a turd on a wind-swept hill or farmer's field seems like overkill. An agile flick of the boot which sends the offending lump into a hedge or stream is not going to cause an outbreak of bubonic plague.

The maximum fixed penalty for failing to pick up a dog turd is £1,000. In the UK each year about 2,400 children are killed or seriously injured on the road. Many of these accidents are caused by excessive speed. The maximum fine for speeding is also £1,000. There are speed gun patrols in some villages but when it comes to installing bumps or flashing signs, the Parish council bleats on about the cost and how it will impinge upon character of the village. Dog turds, it seems, are more of a problem.

Villem Saks is the author of How to survive the English Village: a guide for retirees, returning expats and folk not from these parts, available from Amazon.

By Villem Saks

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Ana Thu 26-Feb-15 18:42:10

Quite a few councils in England and Wales have done this over the past few years - it's supposed to draw residents' attention to the problem and hopefully shame dog owners who allow their pets to foul local streets without picking up after them.

(Strange choice of username, BTW! )

ojeezus Thu 26-Feb-15 19:22:37

It surely gets stranger - if the council can afford to pay someone to patrol the footpaths armed with a aerosol, could they not ask the fella to pick up the poo, instead of painting it? I'm not sure shaming people works. Unless they're named in the pub.

Ana Thu 26-Feb-15 19:59:13

I agree that the shaming idea isn't likely to work. It might even have the opposite effect! hmm

chocolatepudding Thu 26-Feb-15 20:43:27

ojeezus - If you live near me my DH has used three tins of spray paint (blue, orange and yellow) to mark all offending turds on the river path and the bridleway on our land. He has also stuck small notices on hazel sticks by each pile telling lazy dog owners to clear up after their dog. There are enormous piles of C* so it must be larger dogs making the mess.

loopyloo Fri 27-Feb-15 08:13:37

Reading the comments, it seems that efficient dog wardens are the answer. Dogs should be supervised in public parks ,and the owners should be supervised as well. And fined when caught.

pompa Fri 27-Feb-15 08:24:31

Dog wardens ??. So this means that those of us without dogs have to contribute towards clearing up after filthy dog owners, gee thanks.

ojeezus Fri 27-Feb-15 09:30:17

chocolatepudding - I do hope he's using ecologically sound paint spray. One wouldn't want to risk poisoning birds and wild animals with something toxic.

chocolatepudding Fri 27-Feb-15 13:06:06

DH uses a temporary spray paint - used for marking out building sites and temporary roadworks so it only lasts about a week. We both care about the wildlife too.

DotMH55 Sun 01-Mar-15 09:51:50

I walk with my grandchildren to take them to school and back - we have to dodge the dog poo on both the pavement and the right of way we use. I have had to scrape my grandchildren's shoes several times to clean the dog poo off when they have accidently trodden in it and it makes me feel sick, the smell is usually dreadful.

I really don't understand what the issue is with cleaning up after your own dog. Why have one if you are not prepared to deal with the poo!

I too wonder about the people who bag the poo and then throw the bag into trees and bushes - who do they think is going to clear it up?

Please don't think that I dislike dogs over the years I have had several dogs including a Beagle and two Border Cross Terriers at the same time. We always scooped the poop and disposed of it properly.

amarmai Sun 01-Mar-15 19:30:30

I live in a town house complex where we pay monthly fees to maintain the pathways we jointly own , gardens , lawns etc We are surrounded by high rises and are having to pay maintenance people to clean up dog dirt left everywhere. Also the bin beside our mailboxes , which is intended for junk mail, is being used for dog dirt bags- which means that the paper contents cannot be recycled. Yet others simply drop the bag in the vicinity of this bin-or simply do not pick up at all.There are even people who drive up to the gates ,park and block the exit/entrance ,open their car doors and allow their dogs to go out on their own to use the "facilities' then return to the car when done.

Jaxie Fri 06-Mar-15 18:04:28

Why can't dog owners drag their crap machines onto the gutter to defecate. I can't understand why the mess is always in the middle of the foot path.

harrigran Fri 06-Mar-15 18:52:11

I knew someone who trained their dog to wee over a drain in the gutter, it can't be that hard to do.

annodomini Fri 06-Mar-15 19:12:39

My parents trained their lab to pee over a drain in the back yard. And this was the dog that bust a gut to get home to poo in her own garden.

Spidergran Thu 12-Mar-15 19:02:41

I am glad you have enlightened me about the reason for dog poo being hung in trees!! I have puzzled this for years and not being a dog owner I had no idea why some areas have trees littered with plastic bags full of poo. As some have been there for months until the bags rot away and I must admit some are very high up and I have not seen any 10' people walking their dogs! so I assumed folks got fed up of carrying them and just threw them up a tree out of the way (a bit of an extreme and baffling hobby..but....) so it would seem a bit more of a valid explanation that they intend to collect it on the way back..except of course those that go back another way...
Not enough people are fined for dogs fouling, why would they ever assume anyone would love to step in or have it attach to their pram wheels?? We stopped humans depositing their own waste in the street years ago, why should dogs be any different? they are not living wild in their natural habitat they are living as pets in populated areas so the owners should be responsible for all aspects of the pets behaviour.

Spidergran Thu 12-Mar-15 19:04:28

And No I do not dislike dogs its the owners who act irresponsible I DON'T LIKE smile

ojeezus Thu 12-Mar-15 20:09:19

Some poo-tossers maintain that the bags they use are biodegradable and so, in time, the said deposit will return to the ground from which it came. If it was true then surely it would be an alternative mechanism for disposal rather than swinging a full bag when meeting 'n' greeting neighbours, putting in the bin and then adding to landfill?

pamelaJEAN Sat 28-Mar-15 12:49:07

I live in a small village , and must say dog poo is a big problem, I have owned dogs for the last twenty years, my first dog would only poo in her own garden, the other two ( all have been big boxer dogs) would rarely poo when out on walks, but it is no problem to me.... to pick up my own dogs poo and dispose of it when I get home. However I could not pick up after another dog... yuck. We have a small jitty which I walk up daily to visit the local shops, some bright spark has put a sign up (similiar to a car registration plaque ....... bright yellow background with DOG SH++ ALLEY printed on it..... and the dog poos have been sprayed in a bright yellow paint.... silly I know....but I counted 30 dog poos one day. Have you noticed cats seem to poo on the lawns without digging holes... I dont know which is worst... yesterday a lovely sunny day... decided to do some weeding... yuck.... there was cat poo in every trowel ful of soil... now that did make me heave !!!!!!!!!

Anya Sat 28-Mar-15 13:55:20

Where we lived previously we had a bird poo problem. A series of telephone wires radiating out from a central pole that was the meeting place for the local starling population, and a parallel line of electric cables where other species preferred to gather.

Underneath each of these great dollops of bird poo, elderberry coloured in the autumn. I wrote to the RSPB and the council about it several times but they said it wasn't their responsibility to pick it up or issue birds with nappies.

What did we pay our rates for I wondered?

Here the problem is the fields are littered with sheep poo and cow dung. The parks with rabbit droppings and fox scat (and that really pongs). And the town hall is white with pigeon droppings.

We're drowning in shit the stuff hmm

Ana Sat 28-Mar-15 14:06:55

Anya, was that post serious? confused

durhamjen Sat 28-Mar-15 14:07:01

www.fixmystreet.com is the website to report it and anything else that might be blighting your community, like flytipping, loose paving, vandalism, etc.

Anya Sat 28-Mar-15 14:09:46

Serious Ana? Every word of it was true.

Anya Sat 28-Mar-15 14:11:41

But people only moan about dog poo and cat poo.

I think that's discrimination. I'm only looking at the bigger picture.

Ana Sat 28-Mar-15 14:14:29

Oh, I don't doubt that it's all true.

What I was questioning was whether you were really complaining about fields having sheep droppings and cowpats on them, as well as wondering what you expected the council/RSPB to do about the congregating birds!

Ana Sat 28-Mar-15 14:15:55

I thought maybe it was tongue-in-cheek, but perhaps not...
Dog poo is one thing, but wildlife droppings are just a fact of life, especially if you live in the countryside.

Anya Sat 28-Mar-15 14:16:17

A seagull (probably an erroneously named black-.headed gull in case Jen is interested) pooed on my GS from a great height only last week. I tried to tell him that was supposed to be good luck but he wasn't impressed.

Red Rum once pooed on the road outside my house when we lived in Southport. Now that was impressive, so I rushed out with a shovel and scooped it up, hot and steaming, for my roses grin honest!