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LucyGransnet (GNHQ) Wed 01-Apr-15 19:10:08

If angels are real, what else have we got wrong?

Following her first, and hugely popular, guest blog post on Gransnet, Hattie Edmonds is back with more otherworldly experiences, angelic or otherwise. Add yours to the thread below.

Hattie Edmonds

If angels are real, what else have we got wrong?

Posted on: Wed 01-Apr-15 19:10:08

(122 comments )

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What else are we missing?

'Angels? Reality or a load of old tosh?' was the original title for the Gransnet blog post about the possible existence of angels, and when I wrote it, I didn't expect for a millisecond that it would get such a massive response. The thread has been running for over five months now and still the extraordinary stories are winging their way in.

So, recently I sent an email around my friends to see if they'd had any similarly inexplicable experiences. Within forty eight hours my inbox was jammed, but for obvious reasons of space I've had to select just two from the dozens of replies.

First is Sophie, who was incredibly close to her mother and was finding it very difficult to cope after her death. When some friends invited her and her family for a week's holiday in a place called Silver Island in Northwest Canada, she was unsure of whether to go so soon after the funeral, but eventually she accepted.

One morning, she woke feeling particularly sad and set out to row across the lake to Silver Island. On the way there, she was suddenly filled with a sense of peace, feeling that her mother was "somehow very close". Arriving back at the house and still feeling that her mother was very much with her, she went into the kitchen and there on the breakfast table was a copy of the Toronto Globe and Mail newspaper. She picked it up and it fell open at a photo of her mother along with a full-page obituary.

To this day, Sophie has no idea why an obituary of her mother, Simone Mirman, should appear in the Toronto Globe and Mail newspaper. Granted, she had been a very talented milliner who had lived in France and once made hats for the royal family, but was that enough to merit an entire page along with a photo?

But if we dare for a moment to believe that angels really do exist, what else about life - and death - might we need to rethink?


"I’m a very rational person," said Sophie, "but I know it was a message from my mother… her way of saying goodbye."

And then there's Diana, a mate from my yoga class, who described an incident from seven years ago, when she was driving with her then-husband along the motorway at night. He’d had a bit to drink and had asked her to stop so he could have a pee. She told him it was too dangerous, but he insisted so she eventually gave in and pulled over onto the hard shoulder, whereupon he jumped out of the car, weaving across the motorway towards the other side.

Diane raced after him and was halfway there, still in the middle of the second motorway lane when she saw a pair of lorry headlights hurtling straight towards her. It was then that she blacked out. When she 'woke up', she was standing in her garden back in London. Family and friends were gathered both outside the house and inside, although nobody was saying hello to her. So she pushed her way into the house, to the sitting room, in the centre of which was a coffin. She walked over and peered inside.

Staring down at the body laid out, she saw it was the exact double of her. At this point, the eyes of the 'other' Diane snapped open and she saw the whole story of her life playing out in front of her, like a film. She felt herself being born (a very visceral experience, apparently), saw herself as a child walking to school with her best friend, as a teenager, then as a twenty-something in her first job, right up the present day. When the film ended, she heard herself say "I am going to be thirty six in ten days time, what have I got to show for my years?"

Then suddenly, the 'real' Diane was awake again and standing on the motorway. But this time she wasn't in the middle anymore. "It was as if someone had physically moved me seven or eight meters, back onto the hard shoulder. Yet the lorry’s headlights were in exactly same position as they had been before. Seconds later it thundered by, missing me by meters.

"I still can’t work out how I could have moved that distance in what could only have been a split second," she says, "all I know is that the experience made me completely change my life."

Several years ago, I would have thought such stories were simply the result of over-active imaginations. But now, at the magical age of 51, I’ve started to feel differently. With the anecdotal evidence growing, it’s not quite so easy to brush aside anymore. But if we dare for a moment to believe that angels really do exist, what else about life - and death - might we need to rethink?

Hattie Edmonds' first novel Cinema Lumiere is out now and available from Amazon.

By Hattie Edmonds

Twitter: @HattieHEdmonds

Soutra Fri 03-Apr-15 13:40:12

Oops pardon me for having, much less expressing an opinion Faye why did I think discussion involved more than one opinion? Silly Soutra. One can read a thread to see what it is about, no? To see whether the experience of others might give food for thought? But no, if I were to restrict myself only to threads with which I was 100% in agreement, how boring would life be?

I thought I made it clear that I was not knocking anything and could see why people in a heightened emotional state might experience unusual things. The clue was in the words.
<retires hurt to naughty corner.

I didn't mean any posts on this thread were being thrust aggressively or indeed subtly down my throat, Grannyknot although we have had some aggressive evangelism on other threads in the past.
#justsaying (to quote)

Faye Fri 03-Apr-15 13:52:05

Soutra smile

Mishap Fri 03-Apr-15 14:02:55

I have not said that there is "no such thing" - I have had my share of strange experiences; we just interpret them in our own way. If people want to believe in angels and it feels positive for them, then that is fine.

Grannyknot Fri 03-Apr-15 14:11:07

soutra grin

rosesarered Fri 03-Apr-15 14:28:24

Soutra is as entitled to her opinion as any of us on here.
there is a big difference between ghosts, spooky moments and angels.

rosesarered Fri 03-Apr-15 14:30:21

Thatbags those M R James stories are so English, and tend to stay with you I find, very disquieting really.He was a don at Cambridge.

HattieHoldenEdmonds Fri 03-Apr-15 16:06:01

“The most beautiful and deepest experience a man can have is the sense of the mysterious. He who never had this experience seems to me, if not dead, then at least blind." Albert Einstein

Grannyknot Fri 03-Apr-15 16:15:38

"Like" smile

Soutra Fri 03-Apr-15 16:47:45

Albert Einstein clearly never had a baby, "communed" with it throughout 9 months of pregnancy, looked at that little face for the first time and and felt that spark of recognition, or experienced those myriad experiences which I think we as women, mothers and grandmothers are privileged to know.

Greenfinch Fri 03-Apr-15 17:08:05

Isn't this the same thing *Soutra ?A sense of awe is the basis of religion but it can be valued for itself. I remember my doctor saying 40 years ago that although some babies are unfortunately born with problems ,he never ceased to have a sense of awe that so many were born perfect.

Soutra Fri 03-Apr-15 18:16:30

Granted, but for me it is rooted in something very real and understandable, while anecdotes about "out of body" experiences or so-called "supernatural" incidents which could easily be explained away as pure coincidence engender scepticism and leave me cold. Comes down to your interpretation of wonder and awe, I suppose. Natural but not supernatural ?

out2grass Fri 03-Apr-15 18:24:40

A closed mind, and there seem to be a number amongst the contributors on this Angelic subject, is a mind that cannot experience! So enlightening to see Loopylou that 'something happened' to open yours...
Its not until this happens, and we experience 'something that happened' that any of us can really understand the possibility of something being around us all - whether we like it or not! There are many things in this Universe we are totally unaware of, and even when made aware, have no explanation for.
Over my lifetime I have seen the footprints of a so called 'ghost', I have lived in a house that was inhabited by someone who did not want me there (and made it very obvious). I also have experienced the most wonderful and amazing contact with ???? Well, I'm going to call them Angels as they have attended me on so many levels, so many times and in so many forms.. Many of these NOT at a time of 'extreme hightened emotion' Soutra!

Mishap Fri 03-Apr-15 18:29:34

We have all had inexplicable experiences and we all explain and understand them in different ways - I could just as easily say that it is closed-minded to think these experiences can only be interpreted as angels. People interpret them in different ways that suit them and that they find helpful.

loopylou Fri 03-Apr-15 18:45:39

I think that's right Mishap and out2grass, it's the interpretation and how an individual translates experiences that will be different from one person to another.
It's part of our emotional makeup, and makes each of us unique. Whether I describe them as angels, ghosts, spirits, ethereal beings etc doesn't really matter, it's my interpretation and it'll be different for the next person.

Viva la difference!

Greenfinch Fri 03-Apr-15 19:46:22

I like the comparison of natural with supernatural and I do believe they overlap in places. Digressing a bit, I was watching some of the Gospel of John this morning and it featured the feeding of the 5000 at one point. .Now many people will take this at face value which is fine but I prefer to see it as a miracle of sharing. No sensible Jew would travel into the desert without provisions at that time and I believe they all had their own food safely tucked away but not displaying it in case they had to share it but when one small boy unselfishly was willing to share his and also motivated by the words of Jesus they all produced more than enough. Just because something can be explained does not necessarily make it less miraculous.

loopylou Fri 03-Apr-15 20:02:45

It's like using peripheral vision to focus on the here and now but applied to the mind as well.
That's how I 'see' it anyway, who knows what we might find?
Delightful thought and pretty exciting in my opinion tbusmile

soontobe Fri 03-Apr-15 20:08:52

I quite agree.
When we look into the sky, we know that there is only a minute amount that we can see and experience. But we know that it is there. Similarly the sea. Similarly geology. Similarly science. So why not everything else as well?

bikergran Fri 03-Apr-15 20:13:42

Well we will "all" know one day won't we, if whatever brings comfort in times of distress/bereavement/life's events, then so be it.

Soutra Fri 03-Apr-15 20:15:59

Say it like it is, out2grass did you mean me in your reference to "closed minds"?
If so, damn cheek! You know nothing about me, my mind, or my life experience. Just because people do not agree with you does not mean their minds are closed. AsMishap says, it could be equally "closed" to interpret everything as "angels".
Thank god we have moved on from the Dark Ages or Middle Ages when perfectly natural phenomena were assumed to be supernatural occurrences.
An eclipse -the moon "eating" the sun, for instance or thunder and lightning, the anger of the gods.
Go back to the Spanish Inquisition for " closed minds" and scientists, astronomers and philosophers burnt as heretics. Go back to the years of superstition for cats walled up in houses to keep put the evil and even people sacrificed to appease the gods and ensure the return of the sun after the dark months of Winter.

Penstemmon Fri 03-Apr-15 21:24:37

I have not experienced anything that I could attribute to angelic powers/ supernatural/UFO or aliens. But I do enjoy a good ghost tale and feel jumpy for a while after!! Others will have had unexplained experiences that they feel are visitations from unearthly 'spirits' & I feel I can't argue strongly against something I do not know. Also my arguments would be based on a rational explanation pertinent to a specific situation. However I do think there is a lot of sentimental, kitschy twaddle written about 'angels' but if some people take comfort from it I suppose it is not be as harmful as a lot of other things. I just would hate to think people trusted angels to care for them or attach too much 'power' to the belief in them.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 03-Apr-15 21:34:12

Greenfinch. Thank you. That is a very moving interpretation of the feeding of the five thousand.

Penstemmon Fri 03-Apr-15 21:53:37

I had to answer a question on Feeding of 5 thousand in my A level RE in 1969 that involved discussion about what the miracle actually was: sharing of food by example/food not running out due to God's power & intervention. It is valid today: there is enough in the world for us all to eat but some of us (countries) keep it to ourselves and do not share to stop others going hungry and therefore do not hear /obey the word of God.tbuhmm

Faye Fri 03-Apr-15 22:15:57

I have to admit I have never given much thought to Angels but I enjoy reading about strange experiences of all types and have had many myself.

This happened to my eldest GD now 10 who has been in a few of the odd experiences I have had. When she was around 17 months old I was babysitting her at her home. SIL had asked me to open the garage door for a delivery of wood. This experience all happened in seconds and I am sure I nearly died of fright that day.

I had pulled up the heavy roller door thinking it would stay up, as they normally do. Immediately it started to slam down fast, I couldn't grasp it and I glanced behind me. GD who was about seven or eight feet behind me was running towards me and the door. She looked like she was running much too fast to me as she had only started walking properly when she had just turned sixteen months. She was far enough behind me I thought that she wouldn't reach where the roller door was about to slam down heavily. Next second the roller door had slammed shut and I couldn't see her. My heart sank in absolute fear. I pulled this heavy roller door up and there she was standing on the other side.

feetlebaum Fri 03-Apr-15 22:16:11

@Soontobe - I'm sorry, but I didn't understand your last post - not one word of it. What did you mean?

soontobe Fri 03-Apr-15 22:21:08

I will try and put it in different words.
We know now more about the sky and galaxies and planets etc than we knew even 10 years ago.
I cant remember how many planets have been discovered, but with the naked eye, we cant see many. Yet we know them to be there.
Does that help with the explanation.
Can someone else put it in better words than I have please?