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LucyGransnet (GNHQ) Wed 01-Apr-15 19:10:08

If angels are real, what else have we got wrong?

Following her first, and hugely popular, guest blog post on Gransnet, Hattie Edmonds is back with more otherworldly experiences, angelic or otherwise. Add yours to the thread below.

Hattie Edmonds

If angels are real, what else have we got wrong?

Posted on: Wed 01-Apr-15 19:10:08

(122 comments )

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What else are we missing?

'Angels? Reality or a load of old tosh?' was the original title for the Gransnet blog post about the possible existence of angels, and when I wrote it, I didn't expect for a millisecond that it would get such a massive response. The thread has been running for over five months now and still the extraordinary stories are winging their way in.

So, recently I sent an email around my friends to see if they'd had any similarly inexplicable experiences. Within forty eight hours my inbox was jammed, but for obvious reasons of space I've had to select just two from the dozens of replies.

First is Sophie, who was incredibly close to her mother and was finding it very difficult to cope after her death. When some friends invited her and her family for a week's holiday in a place called Silver Island in Northwest Canada, she was unsure of whether to go so soon after the funeral, but eventually she accepted.

One morning, she woke feeling particularly sad and set out to row across the lake to Silver Island. On the way there, she was suddenly filled with a sense of peace, feeling that her mother was "somehow very close". Arriving back at the house and still feeling that her mother was very much with her, she went into the kitchen and there on the breakfast table was a copy of the Toronto Globe and Mail newspaper. She picked it up and it fell open at a photo of her mother along with a full-page obituary.

To this day, Sophie has no idea why an obituary of her mother, Simone Mirman, should appear in the Toronto Globe and Mail newspaper. Granted, she had been a very talented milliner who had lived in France and once made hats for the royal family, but was that enough to merit an entire page along with a photo?

But if we dare for a moment to believe that angels really do exist, what else about life - and death - might we need to rethink?


"I’m a very rational person," said Sophie, "but I know it was a message from my mother… her way of saying goodbye."

And then there's Diana, a mate from my yoga class, who described an incident from seven years ago, when she was driving with her then-husband along the motorway at night. He’d had a bit to drink and had asked her to stop so he could have a pee. She told him it was too dangerous, but he insisted so she eventually gave in and pulled over onto the hard shoulder, whereupon he jumped out of the car, weaving across the motorway towards the other side.

Diane raced after him and was halfway there, still in the middle of the second motorway lane when she saw a pair of lorry headlights hurtling straight towards her. It was then that she blacked out. When she 'woke up', she was standing in her garden back in London. Family and friends were gathered both outside the house and inside, although nobody was saying hello to her. So she pushed her way into the house, to the sitting room, in the centre of which was a coffin. She walked over and peered inside.

Staring down at the body laid out, she saw it was the exact double of her. At this point, the eyes of the 'other' Diane snapped open and she saw the whole story of her life playing out in front of her, like a film. She felt herself being born (a very visceral experience, apparently), saw herself as a child walking to school with her best friend, as a teenager, then as a twenty-something in her first job, right up the present day. When the film ended, she heard herself say "I am going to be thirty six in ten days time, what have I got to show for my years?"

Then suddenly, the 'real' Diane was awake again and standing on the motorway. But this time she wasn't in the middle anymore. "It was as if someone had physically moved me seven or eight meters, back onto the hard shoulder. Yet the lorry’s headlights were in exactly same position as they had been before. Seconds later it thundered by, missing me by meters.

"I still can’t work out how I could have moved that distance in what could only have been a split second," she says, "all I know is that the experience made me completely change my life."

Several years ago, I would have thought such stories were simply the result of over-active imaginations. But now, at the magical age of 51, I’ve started to feel differently. With the anecdotal evidence growing, it’s not quite so easy to brush aside anymore. But if we dare for a moment to believe that angels really do exist, what else about life - and death - might we need to rethink?

Hattie Edmonds' first novel Cinema Lumiere is out now and available from Amazon.

By Hattie Edmonds

Twitter: @HattieHEdmonds

Grannyknot Fri 03-Apr-15 22:29:13

soon using geology as an example, do you mean that although we now know a lot more than we did say 50 years ago, when geology was a relatively new science, we still only know a small part about something of which there is still a lot to discover.

soontobe Fri 03-Apr-15 22:36:37

Yes. Absolutely. That is what I mean.

Penstemmon Fri 03-Apr-15 22:37:04

soon are you suggesting that in time science will be able to prove/disprove existence of 'angels' etc?

Faye Fri 03-Apr-15 22:37:48

Funny you say that Feetlebaum I understood exactly what soontobe meant. She meant that there are still so many things we don't yet know or only just now discovering, so we should keep an open mind. Here are some examples: the sky and Geology

soontobe Fri 03-Apr-15 22:39:01

Plus which we cant see much of which we have yet to discover.

Humans may not believe x y and z. Because it has not been seen yet, and has not been discovered yet. And yet, in say 50 years time, they will have no choice but to believe x y and z.

It is the same with some God stuff. But with a much longer time span!

soontobe Fri 03-Apr-15 22:41:00

Penstemmon. No I dont think that. I dont think so.

Penstemmon Fri 03-Apr-15 22:49:35

A bit like technology? Who, 50 years ago, would have thought total strangers could have conversations, each sitting in their own homes using a small screen! Would have been thought of as sci-fi!!

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 03-Apr-15 22:59:04

The more we learn about the physical world, the harder it is to understand the God thing. We are getting farther away. Not closer.

You're never going to find God through space exploration. Or any kind of technology.

And we only have one lifetime to get to grips with it.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 03-Apr-15 22:59:56

We can only hope that God will find us.

Faye Fri 03-Apr-15 23:03:59

jingle if God exists he/she will find you. I know some people who are religious think if they have doubts they won't go to heaven. If there is one thing I don't believe in, it's religion. If I ran the world that would be the first thing I would ban. smile

Ana Fri 03-Apr-15 23:15:18

'Lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.'

I always find that comforting, whatever stage of believing/doubting/non-believing I'm at.

Greenfinch Fri 03-Apr-15 23:20:50

I believe we are made up of body ,mind and spirit. They are inter-dependent but sometimes the spirit has to make that "leap of faith" which is not necessarily logical. Thus our deepening knowledge may not affect our beliefs or may enhance them again with this sense of awe and wonder at what an incredible world we live in.

annodomini Fri 03-Apr-15 23:44:43

"If God did not exist it would be necessary to invent him". (Voltaire). That's just what humanity has been doing ever since we came down from the trees and walked upright!

Nelliemoser Sat 04-Apr-15 00:28:31

Penstemmon My A level RE teacher gave us that one as well.
Only I was doing it about 3 yrs earlier than you.

rosesarered Sat 04-Apr-15 14:24:30

Greenfinch and Ana, I liked your posts.

Grannyknot Sat 04-Apr-15 14:55:59

Ditto.

Maggiemaybe Sat 04-Apr-15 15:41:34

Ditto for Ana's post. Can't say I'm keen on Faye's. You really think that banning freedom of thought/belief is a good thing, Faye?

feetlebaum Sat 04-Apr-15 15:55:57

Something happening that you don't understand - doesn't give you the right to instantly make up stories about non-existent super-natural phenomena - there will always be a less complicated explanation cf. Occam's Razor...

Maggiemaybe Sat 04-Apr-15 16:01:03

Doesn't give you the right? So who decides what you have the right to think and believe, feetlebaum?

loopylou Sat 04-Apr-15 16:24:00

Ouch feetlebaum
Give me, and many others, proof that non-existent (in your mind) supernatural phenoma don't exist!

pompa Sat 04-Apr-15 16:48:08

It is very difficult (if not impossible) to prove a negative. It has to be a matter of personal belief if there is no proof to the contrary. Each and every one of us has beliefs, you cannot make yourself believe something you find unbelievable. ie there are those that believe in a god or gods, those that are undecided and those that find it unbelievable.
Personally I think there is a logical cause to every event, we may not be able identify that cause, but I believe there is one. So far in my experience I have never seen anything that has caused me to believe in a higher deity. But I quite understand why some people do believe and of course respect that belief, likewise I expect people to respect my lack of belief.
I attend a small chapel each week, they have just about given up on me now as a lost cause.

Grannyknot Sat 04-Apr-15 16:48:56

feetle may I respectfully suggest that you read another thread because this one is clearly annoying you.

feetlebaum Sat 04-Apr-15 17:10:11

loopylou - You are the ones making the unlikely claims - therefore the burden of 'proof' rests firmly on you!

Grannynot - May I equally respectfully decline... Why are we all so divinely sensitive about these superstitious non-events? I am merely pleading with people, for their own peace of mind, to apply a little reason!

loopylou Sat 04-Apr-15 17:14:59

tbuconfused

pompa Sat 04-Apr-15 17:31:10

No one needs to prove their beliefs, they are personal to themselves. The only time proof may be required is if you are trying to convert someone to your beliefs. I don't see anyone trying to covert here.