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LucyGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 26-Nov-15 10:45:09

It's never too late to grieve

We hear from author Alice Jolly on stillbirth and the processing of grief - no matter what age you are.

Alice Jolly

It's never too late to grieve

Posted on: Thu 26-Nov-15 10:45:09

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Alice Jolly on a parent's right to grieve the loss of a child - at whatever age.

Seven years ago I was raising money for Sands (The Stillbirth and Neonatal Death Charity) and persuaded our local supermarket to put a collection box near their door. A week later, I walked past that box. An elderly lady was standing near to it, absolutely motionless, tears running down her face.

As a bereaved mum myself, I understood. It doesn't matter how many years pass, you can still be ambushed by overwhelming grief.

Initially that crying woman didn't want to talk to me. But once she knew that I'd lost a baby as well, she agreed to a coffee.

Her name was Clare and she told me about her son, who died at birth forty years ago. He didn't have a name, she never saw him, she doesn't know what happened to his body. Since he had disabilities, she was meant to feel grateful. She went on to have three living children, two daughters and a son.

But still, occasionally, something apparently quite harmless sets it off. As a result of that coffee, Clare came along to our local Sands Support Group. That was hard for her, as she felt she had no right. Her husband and surviving children would think her morbid. She was sure everyone else at the group would be 30 years younger than her.

She was wrong. In fact, there were men and women of all ages. And it wasn't long before someone suggested to Clare that it was time for her baby to have a name and a funeral. After that, Clare disappeared for a bit. But then, with the support of that group, she talked to her local vicar.

As a bereaved mum myself, I understood. It doesn't matter how many years pass, you can still be ambushed by overwhelming grief.

He understood immediately and Clare decided to call her little boy Benjamin.

Within Clare's family, things were stormy. Her husband wasn't happy - but her children were. They had always wanted to talk about their brother but his death had seemed like forbidden territory. Initially Clare's husband refused to come to the funeral, but eventually he changed his mind. Clare said later that the whole family had lived with a wound they didn't even know was there – until it started to heal.

So the point is – it doesn't matter how long ago it was. It doesn't matter if it was a stillbirth, a cot death, a miscarriage, a baby given up for adoption, whatever. You have a right to grieve and you don't have to
suffer alone. The support is out there. And why is that? Because if, like me, you are a more recently bereaved mum, no matter how grim you feel, you know that actually you are lucky.

At least now there are support groups. You may find the wider world shutting you out (sadly that still does happen) but you'll find others who have lived through a similar situation will open their arms. We know how tough it was for our mothers and grandmothers. We want to help.

I hate the saying – laugh and the world laughs with you, cry and you cry alone. It just isn't true. Often extremely close friendships are built on grief expressed. Right now I happen to be talking about the loss of a baby but there are many others kinds of loss, of course. And many different support groups, counsellors, books, courses.

You might decide to light a candle on an anniversary, create a memorial, make a memory box, put a letter in a bottle and drop it into the sea, tie a message on a helium balloon and let go, make a quilt, hold a service – it doesn't need to be formal or religious. You can make it up yourself.

If you've suffered a loss (who hasn't?) and you want to process the difficult feelings that brings, then you are not being morbid or self indulgent. If people don't understand what you need, ditch them, and find others that do. You may have a few false starts but, if there's one thing I've discovered, it's that the kindness of strangers can be endlessly surprising.

Alice's book Dead Babies and Seaside Towns, about a very personal battle through miscarriage, IVF and failed adoption attempts, is published by Unbound and available from Amazon.

By Alice Jolly

Twitter: @JollyAllice

Bennan Wed 02-Dec-15 08:54:51

Thebeeb, I think you could tell your children about your loss. Share it with them (if they're old enough) and it may help you to come to terms with what happened. The way it was dealt with in those days seem cruel in our world today but it was a different time and perceptions were what they were! Grief stays for longer if not talked about - you need to talk. [hugs]

Thebeeb Tue 01-Dec-15 17:31:02

I lost my baby Claire nearly 40 years ago aged 3 and a half weeks. When she was born (she had multiple issues) I was put in a ward for 10 days with happy new mums. Everyone pretended it hadn't happened and it was never talked about by my family. Each year I have flowers in my house for that little time. I now have two other lovely children but would love to talk about her. I am not sad now but would just like her to feel real. I have a few memories but no photos. Just writing this feels very strange.

Nansypansy Tue 01-Dec-15 08:03:13

I so empathise in this thread. Especially with kentgran. I was pregnant with a baby boy in 1973 and gave birth to him at 5 1/2 months. In those days there wasn't the facility to try and save babies born that early and I felt so alone giving birth in a hospital bed in the middle of the night with the nurses just being business like and not coming into the room unless I rang. His little body filled a kidney shaped dish and I just saw his back view. I so wish I had the courage to ask to see his face - and I wonder what happened to him - too young to be buried .... and it felt so empty going home afterwards with no bump and no baby. Then 30 years later I lost my eldest son at 34. I can hardly see my screen through the tears as its a long time since I've had a weep about him. Thankfully I still have my eldest child, my beloved daughter, and another beloved son born the year after the baby I lost.

Bennan Mon 30-Nov-15 12:13:12

I was complaining to my aunt about being the eldest and always having to be responsible for my brother and sister, and was shocked when she snapped at me. 'You weren't the oldest, you had a sister'. Nothing had ever been said by my parents, and she made me promise never to talk to them about her. She was born in 1940, at the beginning of the war, and lived for a few days as she breathing difficulties too. They named her Patricia which means 'peace' and recently while doing genealogy research I found her death certificate. I wish now that I had talked to my mother about her as I would have liked to comfort her but in those days family secrets were kept from children. I still feel sad about her death. sad

Persistentdonor Sun 29-Nov-15 12:51:02

I want to send love and hugs to everyone who is suffering grief and or fear. flowers
And add to the hope for those who have suffered miscarriage before; I have a neice in that situation who now has a bouncing beautiful 3 year old.

Anniebach Sun 29-Nov-15 11:23:58

Esmmabella, my prayers are with you and your family

Downtoearth, my daughter is to undergo her fifteenth attempt, thank you for sharing the fact there is hope

Falconbird Sun 29-Nov-15 11:15:12

kentgran - I can't find the words flowers

kentgran Sun 29-Nov-15 11:04:47

At 76I remember the loss of my second baby at only seven hours old. I did see him and named him Mark. My husband and parents arranged everything whilst I was still in hospital..even chose the flowers. I went home ,crib still in nursery, but no baby. It was never mentioned and that was that was that. I still think of that perfect little boy. Worse was to come when we lost our eldest boy at 32. The loss overwhelms me and the tears flow as I write this.

Emmsabella Sat 28-Nov-15 21:19:51

That is so lovely downtoearth, Isn't it inspiring how strong some women can be? I can't even imagine what it must have been like for your friend's daughter and have every respect for her carrying on trying and facing the thought of heartbreak every time and it must have been so hard for your friend too. My story almost seems insignificant in comparison with what others have experienced but thank you for sharing this story - along with the empathy from my other new found friends I feel supported and understood. So glad I took the plunge and posted - it's not something I have been able to talk about much to even close friends.

downtoearth Sat 28-Nov-15 17:39:54

just a word of hope my friends daughter has undergone many rounds of IVF I think she said it was 16 but am not sure just know it was a lot,after many recurrent ( I believe) 8 miscarriages she carried a little boy to term,he is now 2 and she discovered she was pregnant when he was 15months old naturally,it was a huge surprise,the little girl was carried also sucessfully to term she is now a healthy beautiful 6 months old....I understand the watching and waiting after my own pregnancies were fraught with fear after miscarrying twins also xxxx

Emmsabella Sat 28-Nov-15 15:06:49

Thank you so much Anniebach and mcem. We would really value your prayers and thoughts and so pleased to hear about the lovely baby born after miscarriages - I will also pray for the same outcome for you Anniebach. I must be doing this wrong as your names haven't come out in bold but I'm a first time poster although I've been reading from the site for months but this is something so close to my heart. I can't tell you both how much I appreciate your taking the time to respond and for all the other lovely people who have told their stories. I am blessed with 2 DGDs who are my joy but they would so love cousins. Bless you and yours.

mcem Sat 28-Nov-15 14:31:11

Emms just a word of hope. A family friend, after 3 miscarriages (one fairly late) recently gave birth to a healthy full-term baby. By then she was 43.

Falconbird Sat 28-Nov-15 13:41:08

Oh this is such a heartbreaking thread but healing too. flowers

My mother lost her first child a baby girl, at the age of 13 months. I was born 10 months later. My parents couldn't understand why I didn't grieve for her but of course I never knew her. There were no more children.

Now I'm older I sincerely wish I had her. A big sister would have been a huge reassurance in the last few years when my Dh died and my son's life was threatened by cancer.

I lost a baby at 14 weeks and no-one would let me grieve and treated it as a miscarriage and I had to just get on with it. I had two sons and that was supposed to make it all OK. which in some ways, of course, did make it easier.

I had another baby about 2 years later a fine healthy boy but I still think of the baby I lost.

My mother was quite cruel about the miscarriage and said it was the daughter I never had. sad

I wrote a poem about the lost baby called My Shadow Child, but sadly I lost it somewhere across the years. flowers

Anniebach Sat 28-Nov-15 10:08:36

Emmsabella, I so understand , been in the same place many times and will be again this spring , every day is a mixture of hope and fear

I pray your DIL's pregnancy goes full term and results in a healthy baby , I do ache for you

Emmsabella Sat 28-Nov-15 09:24:25

My lovely DIL has lost 4 babies to miscarriage - very early but still babies to us. She's pregnant again now and coming to the same stage as she lost the others. The mixture of fear and hope is almost overwhelming - my DS and DIL so long for their own family and would make lovely parents. Thank you to all who have shared their stories. It does help to know others understand the grief.

PRINTMISS Sat 28-Nov-15 09:20:37

Those of us who have healthy babies who live to adulthood are inclined to forget that there are some really sad memories for folk who have lost their child either at birth, or an early age. We have a friend who lost her little boy some 50+ years ago, and whenever we meet up she loves to talk about him,because I think we were around at that time, and we wonder what he would be doing now. I hope it makes her feel better to share those thoughts, but I am not sure, she always broaches the subject, so I let her talk. Thinking of you all for whom this thread has brought back some sad memories.

grandmaz Sat 28-Nov-15 08:36:44

I'm 63 and was always called an only child...however at some point during my adult years, my mother mentioned that she had, during the war, given birth to two little boys - each one had only lived for 6 or 7 hours. That was all she said.

This played on my mind on and off over the years...I became a parent myself, began to conceive of the anguish which my mother and father must have suffered, not once but twice, having to bury their newborn sons.

Finally now that I have retired, I set about trying to find out about my brothers and was lucky enough to find a lovely lady online who helped me to discover where each one is buried. "Brief Lives Remembered" is the name of the organisation and they were so very helpful.

Now as a result of the kindness of strangers, I have a little photoframe with a snapshot of my brothers Roger and Roger Anthony's final resting places - no gravestones - it was during WW2 and I think that notwithstanding everything else that was going on - bereaved parents were encouraged to 'get on with it' and not dwell on their loss - so my eldest brother shares a grave with ten other newborn babies...our other brother does at least have his own little grave, albeit unmarked.

Willow Tree figurines make one called 'Angel of Mine' which is a mother holding a very tiny baby close to her heart and my little photos have this figurine beside them...I was able to go to an All Souls Service at our local church at the end of October and lit a candle in memory of the boys... I like to think that my parents would approve - I think that they were denied the time or space to really acknowledge or grieve their baby sons - and I can only imagine, from being a parent myself, how many tears they may have shed in private.

My brothers would have been nearly 76 and 73 respectively now - so it has taken a long time to restore them to their rightful place in the story of my life and I too have shed tears, for them, for my poor parents...and for anyone who loses a child and did not have the opportunity to grieve and mark their loss.

Love and hugs to all of the brave gransnetters who have posted their stories on this thread flowers xx

mumofmadboys Sat 28-Nov-15 07:48:52

We lost our first baby _ a daughter_ 30 years ago. It was very very hard at the time but we have gone on to have other healthy children. I buy flowers on the anniversary of our daughters birth each year. She was stillborn.
I am sorry downtoearth that you lost two of your children.

grannysyb Fri 27-Nov-15 20:22:46

Many years ago I read an article by someone who had had a stillbirth, she said how hurt she was by some reactions, ignoring what she had gone through and not mentioning her (and her husbands) loss. Shortly after this one of my ex-hubands work colleagues and his wife had stillborn twins. Although I didn't know her very well I went to see her in hospital. I think many people are frightened of upsetting the bereaved which is a shame.

Regalo Fri 27-Nov-15 18:15:03

I think we have a long way to go in supporting families facing the loss of a baby. Many people just don't know what to say and often you can become isolated. When we lost our beautiful grandsons...born alive but lived only a few hours...it was the most devastating thing we as a family had to face. When I returned to work, I was met with a wall of silence...so unusual as it was a caring school. Eventually one of the young teachers came to see me and said ' I know we are not supposed to say anything but I just wanted to give you a hug and say how sorry I am' . The headteacher had told everyone not to mention the babies to me. But, they were my grandsons who I love with a passion and I wanted to talk about them. Some people are very misguided.
The charity SANDS are doing some amazing work in this area. They arranged for our beautiful grandsons to have the most perfect knitted outfits and special blankets and to spend time in a bereavement suite with our daughter, son in law and the babies. Some kind soul had given their time to knit these....they will never know how much this meant to me.

morethan2 Thu 26-Nov-15 19:30:01

Such poignant posts. Thank you for sharing your special stories. Condolences to those of you dealing with the grief flowers

loopylou Thu 26-Nov-15 18:43:58

Just so much sadness.
My mum lost twins 64 years ago, a boy and a girl born 12 weeks early.

I lost a baby in 1980 at 19 weeks, I was told the baby 'had malformations incompatible with life'; he or she had died at 12 weeks. Strangely I had never felt pregnant, and told my lovely GP that I felt something was wrong right from the start.

I didn't grieve really at all, it suddenly hit me 24 years later when I was sitting with a dear friend who was dying of beast cancer. Why then? I have no idea, but it took me several weeks before I felt okay again.

((Hugs)) and flowers to you all x

mcem Thu 26-Nov-15 18:25:49

In February 1947, in the depths of that appalling winter, my mother went into the local private nursing home to have the baby who was conceived when dad returned from war. The birth was unpleasant but straightforward and her boy was born and named after Dad.
Next day dad was with friends when he was called away.
The baby was transferred to the infirmary but was unable to overcome breathing problems (which nowadays could have been dealt with).
At 24hours old he died.
I was born one year and one month later just as the NHS kicked in.
Mum did speak about him but Dad didn't.
In 1986 my 'miracle' baby was due on the birthday of my late brother but chose to arrive a few days later. (A miracle as he arrived 10/8 years after we'd adopted his sisters!)
In 2010 Dgd3 was born and almost immediately transferred to NNHDU because of a pneumothorax. Excellent treatment means she's now a bright and bonny 5yearold.
Towards the end of her life Mum was ill and, knowing she hated hospitals, we suggested she might be more comfortable in a private hospital. She was furious and maintained that if her son had had the benefit of the NHS she'd still have him.

hildajenniJ Thu 26-Nov-15 18:04:16

My grandmother had two sets of twins. The first were boys. My Dad had a sister who died at twelve days old, her name was Gladys Margaret. I only heard my Granny speak of her once. We were doing the washing up after tea, Granny turned to me and said, "oh Hilda, I wonder if my little girl would have been like you". My Dad never mentioned her once, he kept all his sadnesses and regrets to himself.

Floradora9 Thu 26-Nov-15 17:49:27

I had a twin sister who was stillborn my mother's second such loss . How different my life would have been if she had lived . I never had any other siblings . I am sure my rhesus negative blood shared with my mother saved me from the same fate .