I think any phrase, intended to be derogatory, that uses an animal similie is likely to be seen as more offensive than e.g.'grinning like a clown/fool'.
I have not heard 'grinning like a monkey' as a
phrase tbh, more usually people say Cheshire cat. Perhaps it is a regional phrase? I do use 'Cheeky monkey' though, but that is always in a more affectionate context.
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The wrong kind of refugee?
In recent years, the world has witnessed a refugee crisis that has forced more than a million men, women and children to flee the brutal violence in their own countries. Yet despite the life-threatening situations they face, these refugees (including children) have often been met with a degree of suspicion and fear in the nations they have escaped to.
Author Barbara Fox, whose own mother was evacuated from inner-city Newcastle as a child, wonders what the difference between Britain's long-ago children and today's refugees is?
Are today's refugees really any different?
When I read a headline recently about the outrage of a 'picturesque' village to which 70 'child migrants' were to be sent, I was reminded of another time in our history when places in the countryside were obliged to welcome strangers into their midst.
Back in 1940 when she was six years old, my mother, Gwenda, and her older brother, Doug, were among the hundreds of thousands of children who left their inner-city homes and were evacuated to the countryside to escape the German bombs.
Gwenda's main memory of her journey from Newcastle to the Lake District centres round the banana she was given to eat by her mother – the last she was to see for several years. A teacher ordered the children to sit on their bags, and consequently, when Gwenda came to unpack later, she found squashed banana over all her belongings.
On arrival in the pretty village of Bampton they were lined up in the church hall while the villagers came to choose who they wanted. Yes, it does seem unbelievable that that was how the evacuees were billeted to their families! You might imagine that Gwenda and Doug – clean, nicely dressed children - would have been snapped up first (they would surely be the refugees that no one would protest about today!). But actually, that was not the case. Gwenda was the youngest child there as she was tagging along with Doug and his class of nine-year-olds - their mother had insisted that the pair should not be separated. Consequently, the locals were expecting older children, and someone of Gwenda's size probably didn't look very useful in this farming community.
Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today?
Gwenda and Doug were the only children left when the wife of the village headmaster arrived. As the mother of two sons, she had to be persuaded to take a girl. However, she relented, and so the children went home with her. They would spend three happy years living in the schoolhouse and Gwenda would keep in touch with the couple she called 'Aunty' and 'Uncle' for the rest of their lives.
The following year, in more desperate circumstances, Bampton opened its doors to another influx of children, this time from the shipbuilding town of Barrow-in-Furness.
Undoubtedly thousands of lives were saved by this evacuation of the nation's children, and indeed, Gwenda and Doug's own street in Newcastle was bombed.
Britain also welcomed refugees from Europe, including thousands of Jewish children who might otherwise have perished.
Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today? I would go so far as to say that the inner-city children who turned up in Bampton were often just as alien to their rural hosts as the foreign newcomers seem to be to the 'picturesque' village dwellers. But equally, both could teach something to the other.
Those harking back to 'when Britain was great' perhaps forget that it was also characterised by our opening our doors to those in need.
When the War Is Over by Barbara Fox, the story of Gwenda’s wartime evacuation, is published by Sphere and is available from Amazon.
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We could go around in circles with this though.....there would always be some who think it's fine and some who do not.It did surprise me though that anyone thought it was offensive.
I do understand. I had to appease a parent who was cross that I had called her child a 'cheeky monkey' in school. It was said in fun, not angrily!
Pens
Your explanation, while plausible, is not IMO the correct one.
Lets say it was Nigel Farage who had been so described, do you think any of the vicarage tea party would have adopted the position of faux offence?
Equally had I suggested Evan was grinning 'like a clown' (yep that would fit too) his fans would have been equally indignant. 
For those who think that there are too many foreigners working in our NHS, we need them, particularly nurses.
'A sharp drop in nursing applications and EU students have led to a fall in overall university applications of 5%, new figures show today. Nursing had the biggest fall of any subject, and the Royal College of Nursing says that’s all down to the Government axeing the nursing bursary. But there were also falls in older students applying to uni, with a 23% drop in 25-year-olds, suggesting rhetoric about giving people a ‘second chance’ at higher education is not matching reality.'
DJ
Dont you realise this is all propaganda by the RCN to get the nursing bursary reinstated?
Arguably if people decide not to apply for nursing because the bursary has been taken away, then they were not very committed and were likely not cut out for it in the first place.
And a drop in applicants does not equate with a shortage of applicants.
A drop in applications for medicine would not be a bad thing given that hundreds of excellent students are rejected every year.
Why DJ do you think that nursing students should be given uniquely special treatment when it comes to tuition fees and bursaries?
Okay, Mair, just propaganda, unlike your statements.
Hope you do not end up in hospital with no trainee nurses to look after you.
It's not propaganda. They can't afford to train. Nurses work while they are training. They should at least be treated as apprentices.
Nurse training is now mainly university based.
They are no longer apprentices.
Teachers also work while training. Why should nurses get bursaries and tuition fees paid but not teachers?
Many other medical professionals also work while training, physios, radiographers etc.
Apprenticeships starting this year. You're behind the times,Mair, as was I.
More propaganda.
www.onmedica.com/newsArticle.aspx?id=c731461d-d3f3-4baf-8595-9be1ef14f331
Nursing applications down 23%.
My granddaughter trained to be a teacher and got a bursary.
Yes durhamjen my daughter trained to be a teacher and got a bursary too. For some subjects, where there is a shortage of teachers (maths and sciences I believe) the bursaries were very generous, rightly so in my opinion.
Nursing is very poorly paid compared to many professions and it can't be right for nurses to begin their careers saddled with debt that they can never hope to pay off.
"My granddaughter trained to be a teacher and got a bursary"
Only available for the post grad one year PGCE if I am not behind the times, not an entire undergraduate degree.
However you still dont answer the question why should nursing students get this not other professions allied to medicine?
Re nurse training places:
OK I am hackign together figures from different places
There were 17,546 places for nurse training in 2013
According to your link some 33,810 applicants tried for places in 2017. That means half the applicants will be disappointed, many more will not get a place at the more popular unis. It doesnt sound too bad does it?
Sorry, how does the number of places in 2013 equate to the number of applicants in 2017?
24,000 nursing vacancies at the moment.
Nursing is very poorly paid compared to many professions and it can't be right for nurses to begin their careers saddled with debt that they can never hope to pay off.
Do you actually know what a nurse earns?
It is NOT 'poorly paid' given that it is a fairly non academic degree rquiring modest entry grades.
The starting salary is comparable to that of most NQ grads.
And it offers virtually guaranteed secure employment excellent conditions, flexible working and geographical flexibility in the UK and abroad.
Yes, Mair, only for the PGCE, but the BA degree is not a teaching degree, is it?
Actually, I think all students should get grants, but that's an old argument.
www.rcn.org.uk/employment-and-pay/nhs-pay-scales-2015-16
www.rcn.org.uk/employment-and-pay/nhs-conditions-of-employment
Nurses start on band 5 plus all the perks mentioned here thats a basic of £21,692 outside London for an NQ, plus overtime, long holidays etc
DJ
A B.Ed is a teaching degree with practice built in.
I know. I've got one. But most people do a first degree and a PGCE. I have six members of my family who trained that way.
You think £21,000 is a good salary? When the average salary is £26,500?
They get no more holiday than anyone else.
This is/was a thread to discuss refugees.
I suspect if we're to discuss the cost of training nurses and teachers that needs it's own OP. If I did start one it would include police officers, social workers, those studying for an Early Years Degree and I'm sure others could add groups of public servants so far not included.
I don't plan to start such an OP. I'm not easily offended and I am open to considering the other point of view but I'm sure we could all predict what would be said by whom. Some folks just enjoy being provocative, Mair for one.
Unfair Iam64 as Mair has put out some info there that is true ( nurses) that is not 'being provocative' but answering another post.My DIL is a nurse and I can tell you that she is not poorly paid, no nurses are these days.
Yes, the thread has wandered widely from refugees, but that's what happens on threads.
Police have to do degrees now at Uni, so that is another profession doing things the hard way.It's all become graduate entry.
im64 after yesterday's experience you will not be surprised to hear that I agree with you.
Iam64
Its exceedingly rude of you to accuse me of leading the thread off topic and being 'prvocative'! The thread had already wandered off topic onto the NHS, and the ending of the nursing bursary and I was as Roses said, simply answering an (ill informed) poster who subscribed to the myth that nurses are 'badly paid'. They are not and enjoy, like other NHS staff, superb conditions of service, generous leave, a fairly short working week (37.5 hrs) and a years maternity leave (a massive plus for women).
There is no shortage of Brits who would love to work in the NHS, the shortage is of training places both university places and training jobs for skilled technical roles such as auditory, pharmacy, radiography technicians who do many of the jobs that at one time were done by higher grade professionals, and sometimes do part time study for a qualification.
We should put money into the NHS to train Britih school leavers, not to spend on paying immigrants to work here.
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