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LucyGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 17-Nov-16 10:42:52

The wrong kind of refugee?

In recent years, the world has witnessed a refugee crisis that has forced more than a million men, women and children to flee the brutal violence in their own countries. Yet despite the life-threatening situations they face, these refugees (including children) have often been met with a degree of suspicion and fear in the nations they have escaped to.

Author Barbara Fox, whose own mother was evacuated from inner-city Newcastle as a child, wonders what the difference between Britain's long-ago children and today's refugees is?

Barbara Fox

The wrong kind of refugee?

Posted on: Thu 17-Nov-16 10:42:52

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Are today's refugees really any different?

When I read a headline recently about the outrage of a 'picturesque' village to which 70 'child migrants' were to be sent, I was reminded of another time in our history when places in the countryside were obliged to welcome strangers into their midst.

Back in 1940 when she was six years old, my mother, Gwenda, and her older brother, Doug, were among the hundreds of thousands of children who left their inner-city homes and were evacuated to the countryside to escape the German bombs.

Gwenda's main memory of her journey from Newcastle to the Lake District centres round the banana she was given to eat by her mother – the last she was to see for several years. A teacher ordered the children to sit on their bags, and consequently, when Gwenda came to unpack later, she found squashed banana over all her belongings.

On arrival in the pretty village of Bampton they were lined up in the church hall while the villagers came to choose who they wanted. Yes, it does seem unbelievable that that was how the evacuees were billeted to their families! You might imagine that Gwenda and Doug – clean, nicely dressed children - would have been snapped up first (they would surely be the refugees that no one would protest about today!). But actually, that was not the case. Gwenda was the youngest child there as she was tagging along with Doug and his class of nine-year-olds - their mother had insisted that the pair should not be separated. Consequently, the locals were expecting older children, and someone of Gwenda's size probably didn't look very useful in this farming community.

Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today?


Gwenda and Doug were the only children left when the wife of the village headmaster arrived. As the mother of two sons, she had to be persuaded to take a girl. However, she relented, and so the children went home with her. They would spend three happy years living in the schoolhouse and Gwenda would keep in touch with the couple she called 'Aunty' and 'Uncle' for the rest of their lives.

The following year, in more desperate circumstances, Bampton opened its doors to another influx of children, this time from the shipbuilding town of Barrow-in-Furness.

Undoubtedly thousands of lives were saved by this evacuation of the nation's children, and indeed, Gwenda and Doug's own street in Newcastle was bombed.

Britain also welcomed refugees from Europe, including thousands of Jewish children who might otherwise have perished.

Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today? I would go so far as to say that the inner-city children who turned up in Bampton were often just as alien to their rural hosts as the foreign newcomers seem to be to the 'picturesque' village dwellers. But equally, both could teach something to the other.

Those harking back to 'when Britain was great' perhaps forget that it was also characterised by our opening our doors to those in need.

When the War Is Over by Barbara Fox, the story of Gwenda’s wartime evacuation, is published by Sphere and is available from Amazon.

By Barbara Fox

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Aslemma Sun 20-Nov-16 17:35:15

A Scottish friend of mine works with Syrian refugees, teaching them English and helping them with shopping etc. It seems that these families are supported by local people who group together to help wherever it is needed.

grannypiper Sun 20-Nov-16 17:39:01

paddyann to quote goldie lookin chain "Guns dont kill people".The only people we owe to are our own. It is not our job to feed and home the world. Saudi Arabia has the room and the money to feed the majority of the muslim refugees fleeing Syria, Afghanistan,Iraq etc but it wont and the refugees only want to head to Europe and preferably the U.K. Ask yourself why that is

JessM Sun 20-Nov-16 17:58:04

Jane are you not aware that there are millions of Syrian refugees in Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey.

UNHCR reports that there are nearly 5 million registered Syrian refugees on their databases.

2,700,000 + in Turkey
1,000,000+ in Lebanon (The Lebanese population is thought to be about 4 million and they also host many thousands of Palestinian refugees. Imagine if Wales had taken in a million refugees...)
There are also
about 700,000 in Jordan
and more than 200,000 in Iraq
There are also thousands in Egypt and Libya.
data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/regional.php
So it would not seem unreasonable if the UK, which helped President Asad to build up his armoury, to help out a little more than it is doing.
It is a waste of human talent to have young people, and capable adults stuck tents, some of them for years. Winter is setting in and mothers, babies, small children and the elderly are camping. Sometimes it gets cold enough to snow.

Jalima Sun 20-Nov-16 17:58:13

^I can't help noticing how many are more prepared to have economic migrants from the EU, who are mainly white and, at least nominally, Christian, Jewish or even atheist, rather than those from further afield, many of whom are Moslems.
^
I'm getting confused now. People from the EU have a perfect right to be here, as has anyone from other countries outside the EU who come through the normal channels to work, whether Christian, Muslim, atheist, Hindu, Jewish etc.

I think people were talking about the economic migrants who are mixing in with genuine refugees fleeing terror and trying to get into the country illegally.

Or have I got it all wrong?

Jalima Sun 20-Nov-16 18:06:04

Sometimes it gets cold enough to snow It is becoming really cold in Turkey now.

Does anyone fancy living here in the ice and snow? Without shoes or socks or a warm coat?

Jane10 Sun 20-Nov-16 18:46:14

JessM I'm thinking of Kuwait, Saudi, Oman, Dubai, UAE. Some of the wealthiest countries in the world.

Jane10 Sun 20-Nov-16 18:48:25

PS it is the purely economic migrants who 'lose' their papers that most of us seem to have difficulty accepting. Poor displaced Syrians being mixed up with them.

durhamjen Sun 20-Nov-16 22:03:08

It's not true, by the way, that asylum seekers have to seek asylum in the first country they come to. It's accepted practice, but not law. Red Cross about refugees and asylum seekers.

blogs.redcross.org.uk/refugeesservices/2015/03/lets-lay-down-the-law-on-asylum-illegals/

instagran Sun 20-Nov-16 23:34:23

Thanks Jalima for the shocking photograph - I've done a screenshot and will circulate it. Can we send them warm clothes?

JessM Mon 21-Nov-16 07:32:13

Instagram The way to send warm clothes is to find out the details of your local refugee support charity. In N Wales alone there are at least 4 small organisations that have been going about a year. Most of them seem to have been started by.... grandmothers. During that time they have set up networks of collection points, found places to store and sort donations, established communication links with refugee organisations in the middle east and Greece to find out where and what the need is, ant to ensure distribution system at the other end. North Wales has sent a number of container loads this year. We helped to pack one of them - on a pouring wet afternoon about 50 people piled in, moving stuff that was packed and ready to go - we had just 3 hours, and there is a LOT of room in a container. Also it costs £3000 to send a container so money is needed. Education materials have also been sent, along with baby equipment, sleeping bags, toiletries etc.
So if you don't have any old clothes cash donations towards transport costs, and donate new stuff - new underclothes for instance - who would want to wear second hand knickers/underpants.
This activity is important as official aid is more focused on food, sanitation etc than on clothing.
The best way to find your local refugee organisation is to look on Facebook. Or ask in the nearest church.
Once you have found the organisation, why not volunteer. It's very labour intensive sorting out the donations into categories and making sure everything is fit to be sent. Sometimes a bit of laundering or a few stitches are needed to spruce up garments. So offers of help are gratefully received. Knitters also welcome to make things.
Or if you belong to an organisation, such as a church, a political party or a women's organisation contact your local refugee relief organisation and organise a donation day. We did this on Saturday and got in a moderate haul of 2 big car loads.

Jane10 Mon 21-Nov-16 08:45:15

That sounds excellent JessM! Good practical help where and when its needed. Will search out local organisations doing similar.

petra Mon 21-Nov-16 09:27:58

I live near Canvey island. Locally it is known as: two tribes Canvey.

Marieeliz Mon 21-Nov-16 10:06:49

Well said Wendy62

durhamjen Mon 21-Nov-16 10:17:26

Not well said, Weny62.
We have the most robust immigration policy of the EU. That's why there were so many child refugees camped outside Calais, because we were not letting them come here even though they had a right to.
That's why so many of those child refugees have now been dispersed and lost throughout France.
The person who stopped them coming here as the Home Office Minister, the person who put so many barriers in the way, is still doing it, but this time as PM.

Penstemmon Mon 21-Nov-16 18:26:00

grannypiper why haven't we sorted out our homeless and war veterans? We surely have the money to do so..it appears we do not have the will... at government level to do so.
It is not an eirher or choice..we could help both groups a great deal more than we do now.

grannypiper Mon 21-Nov-16 18:48:31

Penstemmon There doesnt seem to be any money for Armed Forces serving or Ex and there is certainly no willingness to help. They must come first. Yes i agree we need to help but i strongly believe numbers have to be limited and aimed at families not single men.Harsh,maybe but our government have a duty to us before anyone else

grannypiper Mon 21-Nov-16 18:59:03

I may seem very harsh but having had experience of living next to refugees when i lived in Germany, i can assure it wasnt easy, robbed as soon as you opened the boot of your car to take your shopping out, washing stolen from the line in broad daylight and your children surrounded by grown men if you dared let them out to play. The constant in fighting,( they tried to hang one of their own from a balcony) the beating of the women in the streets and the begging of the children for food whilst their Fathers smoked and drank.
No doubt you will say i am hard hearted and unfair,but my children had to live with that every day and have never forgotten it. Wait until its your grandchildren and get back to me

Jane10 Mon 21-Nov-16 19:30:14

Sounds awful grannypiper.

Iam64 Mon 21-Nov-16 19:51:02

granny piper, I don't know the country of origin of the refugees you lived next for to and I don't want to be confrontational but it isn't fair to extrapolate from that experience to criticise all refugees.
Our town, like the one JessM' mentions, has a couple of organisations to help refugees who have been placed here. The large estate near my home has an increasingly large African asylum seeker/refugee population. There is no evidence of the type of behaviour you describe. What is obvious as you watch the children going to and from primary and high school is the way in which our new African neighbours are integrating into local life. The children seem to mix very well.

I find the attitude that compares attempts to help those fleeing war or famine with lack of support for our armed services simplistic and unpleasant. There are services for former military, not enough of course but given austerity Britain, we don't have enough services for anyone in need. We need a government that prioritises the needs of all its citizens, service personnel, public servants and especially children and families (including older family members). We are in the top half dozen countries for wealth. I do not believe we couldn't do more if our government and societies priorities were different and more compassionate.

JessM Tue 22-Nov-16 06:49:16

The government is pursuing a policy of supporting the very rich (billionaires have been doing very nicely thank you, since 2010) while imposing "austerity" on ordinary people. They could tax the billionaires more and support veterans, abused women, elderly frail people and many other vulnerable groups, instead of making their lives harder.
It suits them very nicely if people think that there is a limited pot of welfare money that can either be spent on veterans or refugees etc. A useful deflection from what is really happening.
Same applies to the NHS - on the news, as I speak, the government are banging the drum about reclaiming money from "health tourists" (foreigners!) not paying in the NHS. The government don't actually know how much money this is costing and are making up figures (how would they know where people are coming from if hospitals are, evidently, not doing the paperwork). Great smokescreen for the fact that they are starving the NHS of money and at the same time they have cut the money that helps elderly people cope at home.

Anya Tue 22-Nov-16 07:06:03

grannypiper that sounds awful. I think the difference between your experiences and Iam64's is integration. Though Iam does say the estate near her is becoming increasingly populated by refugees.

Not all cultures have the same values or attitudes. It is better when refugees are integrated slowly into our society rather than all concentrated into one area. This is when monocultures thrive, Some areas of Birmingham are virtually monocultures which is how the Trojan Horse debacle was able to develop almost unseen.

While I can understand why refugees would prefer to live in areas where others of their race, religion or culture are already living, this can hinder integration into the society of the country they are making their home.

grannypiper Tue 22-Nov-16 08:04:33

Anya it was a nightmare,and to believe in some sort of instant multi cultural utopia is naive. There is a percentage people (refugees and others) who arrive on our shores and fully embrace our way of life but many others dont step outside their "community", the dont want to integrate they wont learn our language, they wont abide by our laws and want their own schools and courts no matter how many initiatives that are put in place and how many nice people give up a few hours a week.
We dont understand how their cultures work which sects of the same religion dont get along i.e sunni and shi'ite. We sometimes cause more harm than good by not understanding the tensions between other races and religions and truly believeing on white Christians are racist.
Yes, i think we have a duty to give financial aid and sanctuary to limited numbers but we need to stop being so British about it.

norose4 Tue 22-Nov-16 09:20:50

Grannypiper may I ask if you are a native of Germany or were you just living there for a while?

Anniebach Tue 22-Nov-16 09:42:48

grannypiper, what do you mean by stop being so British?

Jalima Tue 22-Nov-16 12:21:10

I can't really, as I am British (although I do have Continental genes, plus African plus Neanderthal!)

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