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The wrong kind of refugee?
In recent years, the world has witnessed a refugee crisis that has forced more than a million men, women and children to flee the brutal violence in their own countries. Yet despite the life-threatening situations they face, these refugees (including children) have often been met with a degree of suspicion and fear in the nations they have escaped to.
Author Barbara Fox, whose own mother was evacuated from inner-city Newcastle as a child, wonders what the difference between Britain's long-ago children and today's refugees is?
Are today's refugees really any different?
When I read a headline recently about the outrage of a 'picturesque' village to which 70 'child migrants' were to be sent, I was reminded of another time in our history when places in the countryside were obliged to welcome strangers into their midst.
Back in 1940 when she was six years old, my mother, Gwenda, and her older brother, Doug, were among the hundreds of thousands of children who left their inner-city homes and were evacuated to the countryside to escape the German bombs.
Gwenda's main memory of her journey from Newcastle to the Lake District centres round the banana she was given to eat by her mother – the last she was to see for several years. A teacher ordered the children to sit on their bags, and consequently, when Gwenda came to unpack later, she found squashed banana over all her belongings.
On arrival in the pretty village of Bampton they were lined up in the church hall while the villagers came to choose who they wanted. Yes, it does seem unbelievable that that was how the evacuees were billeted to their families! You might imagine that Gwenda and Doug – clean, nicely dressed children - would have been snapped up first (they would surely be the refugees that no one would protest about today!). But actually, that was not the case. Gwenda was the youngest child there as she was tagging along with Doug and his class of nine-year-olds - their mother had insisted that the pair should not be separated. Consequently, the locals were expecting older children, and someone of Gwenda's size probably didn't look very useful in this farming community.
Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today?
Gwenda and Doug were the only children left when the wife of the village headmaster arrived. As the mother of two sons, she had to be persuaded to take a girl. However, she relented, and so the children went home with her. They would spend three happy years living in the schoolhouse and Gwenda would keep in touch with the couple she called 'Aunty' and 'Uncle' for the rest of their lives.
The following year, in more desperate circumstances, Bampton opened its doors to another influx of children, this time from the shipbuilding town of Barrow-in-Furness.
Undoubtedly thousands of lives were saved by this evacuation of the nation's children, and indeed, Gwenda and Doug's own street in Newcastle was bombed.
Britain also welcomed refugees from Europe, including thousands of Jewish children who might otherwise have perished.
Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today? I would go so far as to say that the inner-city children who turned up in Bampton were often just as alien to their rural hosts as the foreign newcomers seem to be to the 'picturesque' village dwellers. But equally, both could teach something to the other.
Those harking back to 'when Britain was great' perhaps forget that it was also characterised by our opening our doors to those in need.
When the War Is Over by Barbara Fox, the story of Gwenda’s wartime evacuation, is published by Sphere and is available from Amazon.
By Barbara Fox
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As no answer has been forthcoming as to what it means to be British , I tried to think how it could be interpreted. well on one level you would be British (nationality)if you were born here , but at the same time you could be from a diverse ethnicity . All peoples have cultures & beliefs & creeds which they choose to live by or have been brought up to . The tradegy is that we sometimes forget how to be decent Human Beings. Sadly across the world we are at different stages of developments be that in religious beliefs or acsess to resources , the sayings 'walk a mile in my shoes '& 'there but for the grace of God go I ' are perhaps worth bearing in mind when we start behaving as if we should have more entitlements or are superior to others, be that British or whatever/whoever we are!
200 years ago we regarded catholics as a dangerous sect. There were laws to restrict what they could do. It wasn't until 1829 that the Catholic Emancipation act was passed and Catholics could hold public office. No one thinks this today. Society accommodates the differing beliefs with time.
Oh here we go! Latch onto one phrase and demand explanations.
Beware: thread diversion in action.
I interpreted Granny Pipers 'Stop being so British' as meaning stop being so stoic, evenhanded and non-complaining - make a fuss for once.
So did I, Granny23! Doubt it will go down well, though...
Demand , Anya, who made a demand? Is a question now a demand?
Me too Granny23!
norose i lived in Germany for 3 years with HM forces and the only reason no answer was forthcoming was that i wasnt in front of a computer. What i meant when i said "stop being so British was that we need to stop feeling that we OWE the world. We also need to remember that not everyone likes us either.
Ahh thanks for reply & explanation Grannypiper, I Have never felt that Britain owed the world anything rather that we like to help ,unlike in past history when we thought we owned & ruled the world,! a good enough reason for not everyone liking us !!
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Is there a wrong kind of refugee?
'East Aleppo, the heart of Syria’s peaceful revolution, is besieged on all sides and facing unprecedented levels of attacks from the sky as the Syrian regime and Russia moves to ‘exterminate’ all those that remain.
In the last five days all hospitals, including the last children’s hospital, have been bombed out of operation. All White Helmets centres have been destroyed. East Aleppo’s trapped 275,000 residents are living in terror as thousands of missiles, barrel bombs, and mortars rain down on them.
Despite the brutality, the medics, rescue workers, parents, and entire communities refuse to give up. They have rebuilt hospitals time and time again, saved families from under the rubble of non-stop airstrikes, and opened schools and libraries underground.
Aleppo, one of the birthplaces of civilisation, has been failed utterly by the leaders of the 'civilised world' who stand by idly and watch this massacre unfold.
Everyday we will be bringing you a dispatch from one of Aleppo's heroes. It is up to all of us to keep the stories of the people who suffer most - the civilians - in the spotlight. We will be sending you daily stories from the heroes of Aleppo that we hope you will share as far and wide as possible.'
From the Syria campaign.
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Grannypiper you might have had a bad experience in Germany but I don't think many UK people would recognise your characterisation of what refugees are like. Or immigrants. I think it has been remarkable that so many people have moved here from the former colonies and EU and there is so little conflict between these groups. Cities such as Leicester and areas such as Manchester's Moss Side have grown up with people (or their parents/grandparents) from many different countries all live in the same communities, grow up together, learn together, work together and, even if they don't always socialise together, get along as neighbours.
Can there be the wrong kind of refugee?
Being a refugee by definition means someone fleeing confict, persecution, natural disaster. So no, there can't.
An economic migrant on the other hand is something different.
I see djen posted the same words.
(posted before reading other posts, a bad habit!)
You aren't on your own Jalima - and it's a point worth re-stating imo.
JessM I agree there cant be a wrong kind of refugee but there can be too many.
Well we're a long long way from too many Syrians. 20,000 by 2020 translates to a few hundred so far. Dismal showing by the UK.
It's a shame we aren't more welcoming. If we were perhaps people wouldn't still be in Aleppo saying they have nothing left to lose.
Baraa is a 23-year-old nurse in Eastern Aleppo. She writes to you about what life is like in a city where hospital workers and staff are targeted and medical supplies are running out.
“I did not study nursing. I was a student of Biomedical engineering but I had to cut my studies short because of the war. It was my dream to study medicine, and ironically that dream came true while my other dreams vanished because of the war.
It’s really hard to be a nurse in Eastern Aleppo. It just got much harder because all of the hospitals and medical points have been bombed out of service.
We’ve had to move our operations and patients to homes. We prepare the homes the best way we can so that we can receive as many patients as possible. But there are never enough medical supplies, especially sterilization tools and painkillers. We can’t offer our patients the most basic medical care.
We can't even give our patients clean blankets. They are forced to use blankets filled with the blood of other patients. They don’t have a choice. The cleaning lady can’t find the time to wash or dry the blood-stained blankets. Patients die smelling their own blood. They die because of the lack of sterilisation and cold. We are constantly receiving huge influxes of civilians injured due to the shelling and bombing, which puts us under extreme and constant pressure to address all of their needs at once.
Many errors have been made because we are overloaded with patients and have a shortage of medical staff.There are situations where we have patients die while waiting on a major surgery because our doctors are so busy attending to dozens of other patients who are also in desperate need of medical care. We lose patients that could’ve been saved if we had seconds to spare.
One of the critical care nurses named Keffah was killed the day before yesterday. With the death of every doctor or nurse we die more and more.
And there is no time to rest or eat. Not even for a minute. Doctors and nurses eat while working. Even if we did find the time to sleep, we can’t stop thinking of the people that are dying while we are resting.
The pictures or quotes that you see in the media can’t even begin to convey the intense fatigue and feeling of helplessness we are facing in this city. This tragic situation has stopped me from having a life. I'm not married. I have no time to study or for personal activities. I no longer have the time to even check on my mother. The only time that I can see her is when I’m supposed to be sleeping.
I haven’t sat down once since yesterday at 6am till 6pm this evening. But I will continue my work so that everyone knows we did our best to save people from this tragic situation we are in. Even if they destroyed every single hospital in Eastern Aleppo, we will never give up. We will continue working to help the injured and sick. If our hospital gets bombed, we will move to the next hospital and continue our work.
Even if it ultimately costs me my life, I have nothing left to lose."
Today's message.
If I were fleeing from a war torn country I would be very glad to arrive in any country that was safe. I wouldn`t then be traveling all the way through Europe to Britian.
How can we know what any of us would do if unfortunate enough to be in such a position - literally it is '-walk a mile in my shows , before you criticise & abuse '
As for economic migrants, we could do with some more workers who show that much initiative and willingness to work/walk.
Jessm* i think you will find the residents of saville, page hall, rotherham etc have a diffrent reality
AH -hem. Are we talking about refugees still Grannypiper?
I have heard about problems re Roma community in Rotherham. A very unusual case and very far from being the norm in the UK, I'm sure you will agree because the Roma in Rotherham were a heavily persecuted minority in their countries of origin, with low levels of education. Very different to many other immigrant groups who have neither fled persecution, nor suffered from being excluded from mainstream society and its educational advantages.
Not possible to generalise at all about either immigrants, asylum seekers or refugees. But I'm also assure you will agree that the vast majority of UK towns and cities are peaceful and inclusive.
So the refugee men leave their wives and children behind to get killed, very, very cowardly. Just goes to show how their women are under valued.If they can`t fight for their own country they sure as hell won`t fight for us.It`s so sad that some of our soldiers are sleeping on the streets.I don,t mind women and children coming here but not those shifty cowardly men. Also I wouldn`t want my GC to be sitting in a class room with a 25 yr. old man pretending to be a teenager, and wanting to know from me why there new classmate had a beard and moustash. grin
Of course there's a 'wrong kind of refugee' - firstly those who are not truly fleeing danger, war, starvation, persecution, etc for a start.
Then there are those who come to a country and deliberately stir up bad feelings by preaching against the laws of that country. If they have chosen a country as a place of refuge then they should reconsider their choice if it doesn't meet their requirements.
Next are those who are fleeing punishment in their own countries for non-political crimes. As an example the refugee who murders or rapes 'back home', flees to the UK then murders or rapes again.
I understand that some young men flee their country to avoid conscription but let them at least accept asylum in any civilised country willing to offer it and not be so choosy. Refuge is refuge.
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