Could you be a bit more explicit, Jalima. I have no idea what you are on about.
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In recent years, the world has witnessed a refugee crisis that has forced more than a million men, women and children to flee the brutal violence in their own countries. Yet despite the life-threatening situations they face, these refugees (including children) have often been met with a degree of suspicion and fear in the nations they have escaped to.
Author Barbara Fox, whose own mother was evacuated from inner-city Newcastle as a child, wonders what the difference between Britain's long-ago children and today's refugees is?
Are today's refugees really any different?
When I read a headline recently about the outrage of a 'picturesque' village to which 70 'child migrants' were to be sent, I was reminded of another time in our history when places in the countryside were obliged to welcome strangers into their midst.
Back in 1940 when she was six years old, my mother, Gwenda, and her older brother, Doug, were among the hundreds of thousands of children who left their inner-city homes and were evacuated to the countryside to escape the German bombs.
Gwenda's main memory of her journey from Newcastle to the Lake District centres round the banana she was given to eat by her mother – the last she was to see for several years. A teacher ordered the children to sit on their bags, and consequently, when Gwenda came to unpack later, she found squashed banana over all her belongings.
On arrival in the pretty village of Bampton they were lined up in the church hall while the villagers came to choose who they wanted. Yes, it does seem unbelievable that that was how the evacuees were billeted to their families! You might imagine that Gwenda and Doug – clean, nicely dressed children - would have been snapped up first (they would surely be the refugees that no one would protest about today!). But actually, that was not the case. Gwenda was the youngest child there as she was tagging along with Doug and his class of nine-year-olds - their mother had insisted that the pair should not be separated. Consequently, the locals were expecting older children, and someone of Gwenda's size probably didn't look very useful in this farming community.
Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today?
Gwenda and Doug were the only children left when the wife of the village headmaster arrived. As the mother of two sons, she had to be persuaded to take a girl. However, she relented, and so the children went home with her. They would spend three happy years living in the schoolhouse and Gwenda would keep in touch with the couple she called 'Aunty' and 'Uncle' for the rest of their lives.
The following year, in more desperate circumstances, Bampton opened its doors to another influx of children, this time from the shipbuilding town of Barrow-in-Furness.
Undoubtedly thousands of lives were saved by this evacuation of the nation's children, and indeed, Gwenda and Doug's own street in Newcastle was bombed.
Britain also welcomed refugees from Europe, including thousands of Jewish children who might otherwise have perished.
Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today? I would go so far as to say that the inner-city children who turned up in Bampton were often just as alien to their rural hosts as the foreign newcomers seem to be to the 'picturesque' village dwellers. But equally, both could teach something to the other.
Those harking back to 'when Britain was great' perhaps forget that it was also characterised by our opening our doors to those in need.
When the War Is Over by Barbara Fox, the story of Gwenda’s wartime evacuation, is published by Sphere and is available from Amazon.
By Barbara Fox
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Could you be a bit more explicit, Jalima. I have no idea what you are on about.
I kind of hope Jalima doesn't respond to that last comment. She would indeed be 'shot down' by those whose viewpoints don't exactly align with their own. Elegran as ever sums up the situation succinctly and Rosesared certainly has a recognisable point.
Yes, don't respond Jalima you are under no obligation to explain. It's not as if your answer would be treated with respect and used to expand and develop a useful dialogue.
Jane .is correct. It will simply be shot down.
'No wonder another poster got so fed up she told you to f** off, the nastiest most spiteful people on the threads are the ones who profess to be so virtuous and peace-loving. confused'
So what's wrong with asking Jalima to justify saying this?
Must have missed that thread. Did someone really get so fed up with you that they told you to f* off DJ? 
Seems so, according to Jalima, but I don't know who.
I also appear to be being called a nasty spiteful person by Jalima. Unless she means the person who told me to ... off.
That's what comes of trying to be nasty and spiteful to someone in a roundabout way, without breaking guidelines.
If somebody did say that to you djen.......well, it hardly surprises me.
Roses!!
Thanks, roses. Nothing like the season of goodwill, is there?
Perahps you'd all like to join in on a bit of character assassination, and get it over and done with.
It won't make me change my views, but it might make you all feel a bit better.
Nobody is asking you to change your views, but perhaps be a bit less intransigent.
Try to remember that we all have views, ours are as valid to us as yours are to you.
Nothing in the world is black or white.
Is it any wonder that all round the world, since time immemorial, the resolution of conflicts by Jaw Jaw not War War is/has been so hard to achieve when even here, where all participants on the thread are kind, intelligent, caring folk who want to resolve the problems, get bogged down in semantics and 'who said what about whom'.
So sad and such a waste of emotional energy.
No, it isn't any wonder, because we are all human.Being able to see the other point of view is what stops wars though, a bit of give and take.
Thank you Granny 23 well said , I was going to try to write something along the lines of your comments but decided not to exactly for reasons you have highlighted . I had hoped to enjoy reading differing points of view but have been disappointed by the nasty tone/language of some, I'm obviously not as robust or worldly as I thought I was !
Focus on the differing and equally valid points if view then. They are what matters.
You have read differing points of view norose and we all have them, but yours, and mine and djens and Jalima are all as valid to ourselves, and a poster must NOT be shot down in flames because theirs differs.If posters know that they will be jumped on from the heights the minute they type a point of view then that stifles debate.
Fine if whoever is saying young men, sorry boys, who look older than their years, and who leave their country of origin for another destination, should stay and fight, stop preaching about this. I didn't teach my own DSs to fight and kill and I don't see why someone else should be expected to do so, just because the country they live in has become a war zone. They aren't on this site to speak for themselves so someone has to. People are prepared to demonise men traveling alone and condemn them without really considering their situation. They are homeless, without friends, without family and need care and protection.
.....but, are in a way better situation than those left back in Syria.They are young men fit and strong, now in an EU country and being housed and looked after.The more vulnerable young children, women, and the old are not.I think that critisising rather than demonising is a better word. The situation in Syria is complicated, but not wrong for a poster to wonder ( as a lot of people do ) about the thousands and thousands of young men pouring out of the country, and what it must be like in a Muslim country at war, to have no menfolk in the household.
How many times does Jalima have to say she feels compassion before anyone acknowledges that?
What would you rather they did, roses?
secure.avaaz.org/campaign/en/protect_syrian_civilians_loc/?slideshow
Ok rosesarered I've said I would want my DSs and my GCs to get out even if I couldn't are you saying you would expect your male relatives to stand and fight? If so it is a point of view I can respect if not agree with. But I really doubt that there are many on GN who wouldn't want their men and boys to get to safety.
I admire durhamjen's strong social conscience and tireless drive to achieve her hopes for humanity, and I am sure she practices what she preaches.
However I suspect that she is accustomed to speaking from a platform to inspire an audience to adopt her views. Her reaction to other posters is like dealing smartly with hecklers intent on wrecking her delivery. I am no wilting violet, but it does make me sympathise with the young Queen Victoria "He speaks to me as if I were a public meeting." (speaking of William Ewart Gladstone, her Prime Minister.)
Gransnet is NOT a public meeting, though it is seen by the public. It is a collection of very different individuals, not many of whom are skilled in politickising. Many statements are just that - not rebuttals or arguments, there to sway the voter, but observations on the subject that may throw a little light on the three-dimensional nature of it all.
To have one of those pounced on and the poster treated like a "hostile witness" with their motives questioned just drives them away from commenting in the future. Good for hecklers, I daresay! But it is an orator's strategy for public and impassioned debate, not a way of discussing things with friends.
Particularly if the options were to be killed by barrel bombs or join ISIS or Assad's army.
I would think the same as you, trisher.
By "Many statements are just that" I mean just statements (not "just politickising")
Actually, Elegran, I don't do public speaking, apart from on GN, and I'm sorry you feel like you need to be so hectoring yourself.
I'll get lost now and not bother any more on GN, seeing as you are a paragon of virtuous thought and I am obviously not wanted on here.
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