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LucyGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 17-Nov-16 10:42:52

The wrong kind of refugee?

In recent years, the world has witnessed a refugee crisis that has forced more than a million men, women and children to flee the brutal violence in their own countries. Yet despite the life-threatening situations they face, these refugees (including children) have often been met with a degree of suspicion and fear in the nations they have escaped to.

Author Barbara Fox, whose own mother was evacuated from inner-city Newcastle as a child, wonders what the difference between Britain's long-ago children and today's refugees is?

Barbara Fox

The wrong kind of refugee?

Posted on: Thu 17-Nov-16 10:42:52

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Are today's refugees really any different?

When I read a headline recently about the outrage of a 'picturesque' village to which 70 'child migrants' were to be sent, I was reminded of another time in our history when places in the countryside were obliged to welcome strangers into their midst.

Back in 1940 when she was six years old, my mother, Gwenda, and her older brother, Doug, were among the hundreds of thousands of children who left their inner-city homes and were evacuated to the countryside to escape the German bombs.

Gwenda's main memory of her journey from Newcastle to the Lake District centres round the banana she was given to eat by her mother – the last she was to see for several years. A teacher ordered the children to sit on their bags, and consequently, when Gwenda came to unpack later, she found squashed banana over all her belongings.

On arrival in the pretty village of Bampton they were lined up in the church hall while the villagers came to choose who they wanted. Yes, it does seem unbelievable that that was how the evacuees were billeted to their families! You might imagine that Gwenda and Doug – clean, nicely dressed children - would have been snapped up first (they would surely be the refugees that no one would protest about today!). But actually, that was not the case. Gwenda was the youngest child there as she was tagging along with Doug and his class of nine-year-olds - their mother had insisted that the pair should not be separated. Consequently, the locals were expecting older children, and someone of Gwenda's size probably didn't look very useful in this farming community.

Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today?


Gwenda and Doug were the only children left when the wife of the village headmaster arrived. As the mother of two sons, she had to be persuaded to take a girl. However, she relented, and so the children went home with her. They would spend three happy years living in the schoolhouse and Gwenda would keep in touch with the couple she called 'Aunty' and 'Uncle' for the rest of their lives.

The following year, in more desperate circumstances, Bampton opened its doors to another influx of children, this time from the shipbuilding town of Barrow-in-Furness.

Undoubtedly thousands of lives were saved by this evacuation of the nation's children, and indeed, Gwenda and Doug's own street in Newcastle was bombed.

Britain also welcomed refugees from Europe, including thousands of Jewish children who might otherwise have perished.

Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today? I would go so far as to say that the inner-city children who turned up in Bampton were often just as alien to their rural hosts as the foreign newcomers seem to be to the 'picturesque' village dwellers. But equally, both could teach something to the other.

Those harking back to 'when Britain was great' perhaps forget that it was also characterised by our opening our doors to those in need.

When the War Is Over by Barbara Fox, the story of Gwenda’s wartime evacuation, is published by Sphere and is available from Amazon.

By Barbara Fox

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Jane10 Fri 02-Dec-16 12:28:05

Good Jalima!
I don't think Dj is bullying, she just feels very strongly about refugees. As strongly as you (and I) feel about the vulnerable ones left behind.

nancyma Fri 02-Dec-16 12:29:28

I'm not sure what 'real men' means. I have not been in a position that these people face and therefore will not make assumptions. I certainly would not label young men as cowards.

Families usually prioritise young men because they will be most able to stand up to the horrors of the journey and that if they are successful in finding stability will in the future be able to work and send funding to their family.

I would hate to have to leave my family, everyone I care for, everything I know and value, it's is not an easy decision. I would have been most unhappy leaving my parents and siblings never knowing when or if I would eve see them again. I do not assume that other people do not value all that I do when faced with terrible choices.

durhamjen Fri 02-Dec-16 12:29:30

So what did you mean?
You wanted them to stay?
What would happen then? The UN calls it a human graveyard. Are they wrong?

I don't bully. I just speak the truth.
And what exactly are you insinuating there? Who has been bullied off over the situation in Aleppo?
You might have known about the White Helmets, but you did not say much about them on here, as far as I am aware.

By the way, for anyone who wants to, www.avaaz.org are taking donations for the White Helmets, the ones who stayed, and we don't know if there are any of them left alive as of now.
Unless you know differently, Jalima, and can tell us?

Jalima Fri 02-Dec-16 13:00:01

I am upset at the assumption that if one has reservations about any economic migrants as has been expressed in many posts on here, one is named as
some on GN
these people

And I know it's a graveyard, it has been for years; we don't see it all on the sanitised news, it is the women who went out to try to get bread for their families and got killed in the queues; there were many brave people out there doing their best, nurses, doctors, rescuers, teachers. There were people doing runs into there from Turkey with supplies, risking their lives.
So I don't think it is wrong to question why many young men managed to escape leaving the more vulnerable and the more brave behind.

Is it?

It does not make me less compassionate.

Jalima Fri 02-Dec-16 13:01:21

'and any of the refugees who were mainly young men' I should have added in the first sentence.

Jalima Fri 02-Dec-16 13:04:57

but you did not say much about them on here, as far as I am aware.
I'm sorry, there was another thread and I did not know I had to keep posting about the White Helmets - or other organisations helping.

However, when I did another poster (not you) sneered so I stopped posting about helping.

Jalima Fri 02-Dec-16 13:47:43

djen
we obviously both feel very strongly about this but have slightly different views.

I feel very strongly about the vulnerable and who I consider to be the brave left behind.

Others who managed to make it over the border to refugee camps are persuaded not to attempt the perilous crossing, and perhaps many of them hope to return to their homeland one day.

Jalima Fri 02-Dec-16 13:48:03

whom

Granny23 Fri 02-Dec-16 13:49:46

To inject a more positive note into this thread, I want to tell a true current story.

Our (WFI) Pop-up, Pop-in Children's Christmas Shop is now in full swing. We have alerted every relevant Charity/Agency in the area so that they can inform families in need who might benefit from its 'pay what you can afford' ethos. We contacted the local Syrian Refugee support group who told us that they have been inundated with an embarrassment of toys, clothes and toiletries from the public for the Syrian families who have been given refuge locally. After consultation with their group and the families themselves the enormous surplus will be added to our stock in the shop to benefit any struggling families. The surplus toiletries will be passed on to the food banks.

One of the reasons why our Syrians have been made welcome here is that the Council have explained publicly that each house allocated to the refugees is an ADDITION to the Council's housing stock- refurbishment or purchase funded entirely from Central Government's Resettlement Fund. Understanding quells resentment.

trisher Fri 02-Dec-16 14:12:17

Sorry Jalima the argument you present is one which has been used for centuries against anyone who really didn't want to fight or kill anyone else, particularly men and boys who didn't. It doesn't work in a situation where today's freedom fighter might be tomorrow's government or tomorrow's terrorist group. If I was living in a war torn area I would first want my GCs and my DSs to get out. I might, if I was able, follow them, but I would not slow their progress by insisting I went with them. There must be many women who think like me.

Calling men and boys who don't want to fight "cowards" has been done over the ages, it is sexist and old fashioned. Some people don't want to fight, some will fight. The traumatised men who emerge from the armed forces so badly damaged shows that it isn't something everyone can do or that men should automatically be expected to do. It also dismisses women over the years who have fought as irrelevant.

Granny23 Brilliant post but I wonder why the government doesn't publicise the scheme more widely? Could it be that resentment and blaming refugees/immigrants suits them?

norose4 Fri 02-Dec-16 17:02:24

I try not to base my understanding of the situation from some of the media reporting which seems to continually focus on pictures of men .we need to look behind the manipulation perpetrated by some factions of society. I liken it to the campaign bus of the brexiters. These images are there to insite us to believe the situation from a preferred angle. WALK A MILE IN MY SHOES,BEFORE YOU CRITICISE & ABUSE ! Yes there will always be those ready to take advantage JALIMA but for Godsake have some compassion WE ARE ALL HUMANS not one peaceful law abiding citizen is more deserving than another, those of use who are fortunate enough to be safe from the barbaric tyranny of the current situation should have at least a modicum of compassion & look beyond the manipulation of attention grabbing headline & imagery

JessM Fri 02-Dec-16 17:14:52

Nice post Trisher.

durhamjen Fri 02-Dec-16 17:49:24

Well said, trisher.

durhamjen Fri 02-Dec-16 19:22:45

www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/12/01/in-syrias-aleppo-theres-no-way-of-counting-the-dead/

Jalima Fri 02-Dec-16 19:24:43

Calling men and boys who don't want to fight "cowards" has been done over the ages, it is sexist and old fashioned.
I haven't called anyone a coward

Just because I said that the White Helmets, the doctors, nurses, teachers working in Syria are brave does not mean that I said that the converse is true.

So yet another twist to a post.

Jalima Fri 02-Dec-16 19:26:06

I'm so glad that your area has been so welcoming the the refugees Granny23, it is heartening to hear that.

And what you said about the houses is interesting too, allaying the fears of people who are waiting for homes in your area.

Jalima Fri 02-Dec-16 19:31:44

norose
JALIMA but for Godsake have some compassion WE ARE ALL HUMANS

Oh for 'God's Sake' please read my posts - and previous posts I have made on the subject.
I have compassion, have been supporting Syrian refugees for four years now through people on the ground in Turkey and going into danger zones in Syria.
However, I am not supposed to post that because I was told it was boasting on another thread so I don't virtue signal.

You know me not.
angry

I will leave this thread to its abundance of virtuous haloes.

durhamjen Fri 02-Dec-16 19:32:02

"So I don't think it is wrong to question why many young men managed to escape leaving the more vulnerable and the more brave behind."

You have said they are less brave than the ones left behind, Jalima.

Jalima Fri 02-Dec-16 19:33:08

ps just before anyone picks me up on it, I have not been driving into the danger zones in Syria as I am not that brave, I am a coward, but some people I know do that.

Jalima Fri 02-Dec-16 19:35:36

but I never said they are cowards

No wonder another poster got so fed up she told you to f** off, the nastiest most spiteful people on the threads are the ones who profess to be so virtuous and peace-loving. confused

It's a conundrum.

Jalima Fri 02-Dec-16 19:36:12

but yes, not as brave as those like the White Helmets.

thatbags Fri 02-Dec-16 19:46:02

Who was it who said "It takes a brave man to be a coward"? Was it about WW1 conscientious objection?

Elegran Fri 02-Dec-16 19:54:34

To someone whose colour palette contains only black and white, being told that something is not soot is heard as an assertion that it is snow.

rosesarered Fri 02-Dec-16 21:30:49

Once more, the vociferous Socialists ( a gentle, kindly bunch!) on Gransnet are busy shooting down ANY viewpoint that doesn't coincide with their own.Viewpoints CAN exist side by side you know.

trisher Fri 02-Dec-16 22:14:16

Everyone is of course entitled to their views but it isn't "shooting down" someone to express the realities of those views as they appear to you. It is simply looking at the results of these views and pointing out how you disagree with them. What do you expect people to do, simply ignore these things?

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