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LucyGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 17-Nov-16 10:42:52

The wrong kind of refugee?

In recent years, the world has witnessed a refugee crisis that has forced more than a million men, women and children to flee the brutal violence in their own countries. Yet despite the life-threatening situations they face, these refugees (including children) have often been met with a degree of suspicion and fear in the nations they have escaped to.

Author Barbara Fox, whose own mother was evacuated from inner-city Newcastle as a child, wonders what the difference between Britain's long-ago children and today's refugees is?

Barbara Fox

The wrong kind of refugee?

Posted on: Thu 17-Nov-16 10:42:52

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Are today's refugees really any different?

When I read a headline recently about the outrage of a 'picturesque' village to which 70 'child migrants' were to be sent, I was reminded of another time in our history when places in the countryside were obliged to welcome strangers into their midst.

Back in 1940 when she was six years old, my mother, Gwenda, and her older brother, Doug, were among the hundreds of thousands of children who left their inner-city homes and were evacuated to the countryside to escape the German bombs.

Gwenda's main memory of her journey from Newcastle to the Lake District centres round the banana she was given to eat by her mother – the last she was to see for several years. A teacher ordered the children to sit on their bags, and consequently, when Gwenda came to unpack later, she found squashed banana over all her belongings.

On arrival in the pretty village of Bampton they were lined up in the church hall while the villagers came to choose who they wanted. Yes, it does seem unbelievable that that was how the evacuees were billeted to their families! You might imagine that Gwenda and Doug – clean, nicely dressed children - would have been snapped up first (they would surely be the refugees that no one would protest about today!). But actually, that was not the case. Gwenda was the youngest child there as she was tagging along with Doug and his class of nine-year-olds - their mother had insisted that the pair should not be separated. Consequently, the locals were expecting older children, and someone of Gwenda's size probably didn't look very useful in this farming community.

Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today?


Gwenda and Doug were the only children left when the wife of the village headmaster arrived. As the mother of two sons, she had to be persuaded to take a girl. However, she relented, and so the children went home with her. They would spend three happy years living in the schoolhouse and Gwenda would keep in touch with the couple she called 'Aunty' and 'Uncle' for the rest of their lives.

The following year, in more desperate circumstances, Bampton opened its doors to another influx of children, this time from the shipbuilding town of Barrow-in-Furness.

Undoubtedly thousands of lives were saved by this evacuation of the nation's children, and indeed, Gwenda and Doug's own street in Newcastle was bombed.

Britain also welcomed refugees from Europe, including thousands of Jewish children who might otherwise have perished.

Were these home-grown children that our rural communities welcomed back then really so different from the oft-maligned refugee children today? I would go so far as to say that the inner-city children who turned up in Bampton were often just as alien to their rural hosts as the foreign newcomers seem to be to the 'picturesque' village dwellers. But equally, both could teach something to the other.

Those harking back to 'when Britain was great' perhaps forget that it was also characterised by our opening our doors to those in need.

When the War Is Over by Barbara Fox, the story of Gwenda’s wartime evacuation, is published by Sphere and is available from Amazon.

By Barbara Fox

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Anya Fri 10-Feb-17 09:57:14

And why should they go back Mair?

Mair Fri 10-Feb-17 09:51:49

"they said they would not be accepted back into Afghan society"

Of course they did!grin

Welshwife Fri 10-Feb-17 08:43:59

Did anyone else see the young Afghan lads on the Breakfast programme this morning? Fostered by a Britush couple from 11/12 sort of age. They had been given permission to remain permantly. None had any family back in Afghanistan and they said they would not be accepted back into Afghan society and many youngsters who are sent back have nowhere to go and end up on hard drugs. One of the lads is doing Biochemstry at Uni and then wants to go on to be a medical doctor. The couple were lovely - she was obviously a great Mum to them.

JessM Fri 10-Feb-17 08:19:11

There is a debate in parliament on the Dubs amendment kids stuck in Italy and Greece coming up on the 23rd of the month. Should any of you want to drop a line to your MP to ask him/her to attend.

durhamjen Thu 09-Feb-17 23:45:56

This is an excellent idea. Some people care about refugees, and are trying to help those who have missed out on their education.

theconversation.com/what-universities-are-doing-to-help-syrias-lost-generation-70951

durhamjen Thu 09-Feb-17 23:25:23

None so blind....

Mair Thu 09-Feb-17 22:51:41

children on their own in a strange country who do not have any family to help them

The ones who are alonee are not children. This was why the charity workers couldnt find any to send over here when in the first few days the so called 'unaccompanied child migrants' had all the press makign headlines of it. Nothing to do with the men pushing to the front of the queue.

Any charity worker worth his salt would hav made sure that if there were any young unaccompanied children their place would have been reserved! Just imagine the propaganda benefit of a coachful of primary aged kiddies!

Mair Thu 09-Feb-17 22:46:29

My friend was only saying today about how many little ones there are in Calais and she wishes she could do more to help them

So these are new arrivals?
If there are any genuine children unaccompanied (very unlikely I'd say) then she should report it to the French authorities.
That way they will be cared for in suitable accommodation. Have you asked her why she doesnt?

Welshwife Thu 09-Feb-17 22:15:12

The charity workers are forbidden to do many things to help these children. My friend was only saying today about how many little ones there are in Calais and she wishes she could do more to help them. Many have not travelled all the way on their own - some have come with other family members and many have become separated from their family or the rest of them have died?

durhamjen Thu 09-Feb-17 22:14:05

Trying to help children on their own in a strange country who do not have any family to help them is nothing to do with globalism. It's to do with empathy and humanitarianism, neither of which concepts you understand, Mair.
You are obviously not bothered that the government lied to unaccompanied children,and gave them false hope. That doesn't surprise me either.

Mair Thu 09-Feb-17 21:44:36

Anyway excellent news that Amber Rudd has said there will b no more of the alleged 'unaccompanied child migrants' being brought heree from France!

Some of the globalist tendency were absolutely blowing a gasket about it on the radio today.

Interestingly the French dont want it either as they feel it would just encourage more migrant flows towards Calais causing them more problems.

Nigel Farrage has suggested the change of heart might have come about since theyve realised these are young adult men not the lost unloved little poppets clutching teddy bears that some of the charity workers were encouraging us to believe.

I cannot believe the stupidity of people who ever thought primary aged kiddies would determindly make their way across the continent
and then stick it out through the hardships of the Jungle without being picked up by French charity workers and rehomed. The French arent the gullible fools we are but nor are they completely heartless to little kids!

Mair Thu 09-Feb-17 21:35:12

your comment re a refugee having a mobile phone implies that you think people who are in difficult situations,living in /poverty do not deserve to have them.Is that correct?

Wrong on both counts Pens.
It in no way 'implies' that as perhaps you will realise if you reread. Hint: think about the 'hypothetical situation'.

Penstemmon Thu 09-Feb-17 19:27:21

mair your comment re a refugee having a mobile phone implies that you think people who are in difficult situations,living in /poverty do not deserve to have them.Is that correct?
Do you also think that anyone in UK in reciept of benefits should not own a large TV /pets/cigarettes etc?

Mair Wed 08-Feb-17 20:42:07

I'm sure you are delighted to hear that the Government are planning to stop taking any more kids under the Dubs amendment of the immigration act. It's OK that is a rhetorical question which means you don't have to answer.

And if you think that's a rhetorical question Jess you obviously dont understand the difference between a rhetorical question and a hypothesis.

As regards your earlier 'hypothetical question' I had credited you with having premised it on possible RL scenarios. Silly me, eh?

JessM Wed 08-Feb-17 19:06:10

You obviously don't understand the nature of a hypothetical question Mair. Silly me.
I'm sure you are delighted to hear that the Government are planning to stop taking any more kids under the Dubs amendment of the immigration act. It's OK that is a rhetorical question which means you don't have to answer.

durhamjen Wed 08-Feb-17 18:02:30

Not at all, Granny23, but I'm sure some will be. There must be a petition about it on the government website.

This link on the same page makes me hopeful that some people care. In Germany, admittedly, not in the UK, but Europeans care.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/syrian-refugee-suing-facebook-fake-news-angela-merkel-selfie-anas-modamani-terrorism-brussels-murder-a7567716.html

Granny23 Wed 08-Feb-17 17:05:39

Breaking News

www.independent.co.uk/news/only-350-syrian-refugee-children-will-be-allowed-to-settle-in-britain-thousands-less-than-promised-a7569691.html

I am sure this will make you proud to be British.

Mair Tue 07-Feb-17 22:25:32

As a matter of interest I have just tried to 'book' a flight from Juba airport to Heathrow. No direct flights. Kenya Airways Ethiopian airways and Egyptair all offer routes.

These are all safe countries.

Mair Tue 07-Feb-17 22:17:53

What if a dozen of these poor people form South Sudan just happened to get off a plane at Heathrow? e.g. the 16 year old girl whose family were believed to be all dead and who had manage to run away from a situation where rape was being used as a weapon?

LOL dont you see the contradictions? 'Poor people' just 'happen' to have the money to buy a ticket to Heathrow - direct too no changes in other safe countries! How convenient!

And even a 'child' with her family 'all dead' has the money and wherewithall (and smartphone presumably) to organise this?

Do you actually think through these myths you spin?

JessM Tue 07-Feb-17 22:11:07

You make everything sound neat, tidy and easily put into boxes mair. Instead of messy, dangerous and complicated.
What if a dozen of these poor people form South Sudan just happened to get off a plane at Heathrow?
e.g. the 16 year old girl whose family were believed to be all dead and who had manage to run away from a situation where rape was being used as a weapon?

We all look forward to Syria becoming "safe" again. But sometimes this just never happens. A country gets invaded and taken over and people like them are just not welcome any more. Their houses may be destroyed, and their land taken by others.
You may remember the division of Cyprus. There is still not an opportunity for people to go home to "their" houses and land - because political lines have been drawn for the last 50+ years.
There were reports today on the BBC about an Amnesty investigation that concluded that Assad's government are executing batches of prisoners (people who disagreed politically with Assad, not terrorists but ordinary working people and middle class professional men). Given a "trial" that lasts minutes and then being taken out in groups without warning and not realising they were about to die until a rope is put sound their neck. It is believed that over 10,000 prisoners have been despatched like this.
Doesn't look like being safe any time soon if you are not the right kind of Syrian.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-38885901

Mair Tue 07-Feb-17 20:39:21

"I suppose none these people would not qualify as the right kind of refugee either would they"

I am sure aid agencies will feed them Jess.
They should not qualify as 'refugees' in Britain because they would have passed through numerous safe countries to get here.

Refugees (genuine) should be kept as near their homelands as possible, and returned to ther homelands when they become safe.

Economic migrants of course should be fingerprinted , sent straight home and permanently banned from entering the country again - as a deterrent.

JessM Tue 07-Feb-17 18:41:30

ITV news coverage of South Sudan tonight.
37k people in a "temporary" camp. They have fled from rape and killing. Not enough food so small children are dying of malnutrition related diseases.
I suppose none these people would not qualify as the right kind of refugee either would they. sad

durhamjen Tue 07-Feb-17 16:48:14

You never read my links so that's why I never put one on.
It's in Jess's link to UNHCR.

action.savethechildren.org.uk/ea-action/action?ea.client.id=7&ea.campaign.id=60631&Source%20Code=PCW048001&utm_campaign=cp2017&utm_source=yemenlaunchbutton2&utm_medium=email#background-info

This is different. It's to ask Boris to stop selling arms to Saudi to bomb Yemen children.
Both May and Trump sell lots of arms to Saudi. Why?

Mair Tue 07-Feb-17 11:40:23

"Germany and Norway both give more than the UK now"

Link please?
As they should. Neither country is deeply in debt as Britain is.

durhamjen Mon 06-Feb-17 23:50:39

What's the point of giving a link to a 2014 article? That was before the mass exodus into the EU.
I notice the Telegraph article mentions money promised. According to UNHCR, only 44% of the money promised has been received. That was in the last figures.
The UK doesn't give any money to Syria. It gives to Lebanon and two other countries.
Germany and Norway both give more than the UK now, as does the USA, which you acknowledged.
The UK only gave £35 million last year, not quite as generous as the £100 million it promised in 2014.

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