‘Spare’ by Prince Harry

So why was it they needed to take six hours to drive from Balmoral to Holyrood?* Well obviously so those who wanted too, could pay their respects. The hearse contained a lot of glass at the late Queen's request so she could be seen by those who wanted to see her.

This is the point Smileless.

Some people want to "pay their respects" by standing on a roadside while a cortège drives by. So some people will want to know, why were the people of Dundee accorded this opportunity but the people of Darlington weren't? Some might say because it's a nice little photo op to have lots of people standing on a roadside in Scotland, too good an opportunity to miss. Too difficult to set up for everybody else though.

(Not sure what your first sentence means, just want to say I'm not ignoring it.)

I didn't say the cameras were there volver, in my post you quoted I said if that is the case.

In your response to maddy you said "you choose to believe the version that reflects badly on Harry" where as you choose to disbelieve anything that reflects badly on him or M.

"So why was it they needed to take six hours to drive from Balmoral to Holyrood?* Well obviously so those who wanted too, could pay their respects. The hearse contained a lot of glass at the late Queen's request so she could be seen by those who wanted to see her.

Iam they'll miss him and of course wont understand why he is no longer there.

Mollygo

MissAdventure

How,does anyone know that a phone call was made, though?

And that’s the problem.
How do we know anything, except what we actually see, rather than hearsay spread by the whispers method. You could see the Oprah business, or the Diana interview, though that is now said to have been manipulated.
Those who think H&M have behaved badly will believe anything that proves them right. Those who think they have been badly treated will believe anything that supports that view.
It keeps GN busy and the magazines and newspapers selling so that means people keeping their mind active and providing jobs in these hard times so at least that’s two positives.

How does the public know any gossip referring to public figures to be true? Unless aloud in their own words (on TV by example), who knows if all the phone calls, invitations, turned down invitations, are indeed facts?

Salad bar at a 4.99 - in 1994, when Meghan was 13 years old- (inflation quote) "$1 in 1994 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $2.00 today, an increase of $1.00 over 28 years. The dollar had an average inflation rate of 2.51% per year between 1994 and today, producing a cumulative price increase of 100.28%." Appears to me to be a normal lower middle class type of restaurant which seems the point to her letter to support parental leave.

Meghan's college: "A filing by Meghan's lawyers last week read: "Mr Markle did not pay for all of [Meghan's] college tuition. [Meghan's] mother also contributed towards her university costs. In addition, [Meghan] received scholarships for academic achievement, which reduced the payable tuition fees. [Meghan] also undertook a work-study programme whereby income she made from working on campus after class was applied directly to supplement and lower her tuition costs, thus personally contributing to her tuition as well."

Again, normal lower middle class

However, as usual, it seems opinions vary.

tickingbird

^How do you feel about the fact that the RF's every move was on BBC TV every minute for days? That we got to see teenagers standing by their granny's coffin looking sad? That we got scenes of sad crowds and lined up tractors? And that blooming pony.^

It's all a PR stunt. All of it.

No Volver it wasn’t all PR set up by the RF. You’ve decided it was because that’s what floats your boat. Nobody forced all those people to queue for hours on end and overnight in Scotland and England. Nobody forced farmers to line tractors up in a field in Scotland as the Queen’s coffin went past.

Many people wished to pay their respects and did so but it wasn’t a PR stunt staged by the RF who, incidentally, wouldn’t have enjoyed having the cameras on them continuously whilst grieving for a much loved mother and granny.

There's a perfectly good international airport in Aberdeen. Takes less than an hour to fly to Edinburgh. So why was it they needed to take six hours to drive from Balmoral to Holyrood?

Oh yes. For the tractors.

Oh that is hard Iam to see your dog upset. As I said upthread I don’t think the animals will have had any understanding about what had happened to the Queen, but they, especially the dogs, will certainly miss her.

maddyone

We agree about the republic though. We wouldn’t be able to have these discussions though if ever the day arrives

I'm sure we could find something else to discuss maddyone

But whatever else I am, I’m definitely not a hater. I’m just an interested observer.

I see another thread’s been deleted in my absence- no surprise. I wonder if this one will be gone when I return

GrannyGravy13

Lathyrus

Oh dear. I’m half afraid to admit that we took my MILs horses and dogs to her funeral. She loved them so much it just felt right.

The funeral was at a Green burial place, in case anyone is shocked.

I know exactly what you mean.

Did you know that when a Bee Keeper dies, someone always goes and tells the Bees 🐝

I took my young lab to mr i’s grave yesterday, to say good bye. The dogs were with their usual much loved boarder over the 9 days mr I was in hospital so I could be with him. The young lab has clearly been fretting - no doubt tuned into me but also looking for his man

We agree about the republic though. We wouldn’t be able to have these discussions though if ever the day arrives

How do you feel about the fact that the RF's every move was on BBC TV every minute for days? That we got to see teenagers standing by their granny's coffin looking sad? That we got scenes of sad crowds and lined up tractors? And that blooming pony.

It's all a PR stunt. All of it.

No Volver it wasn’t all PR set up by the RF. You’ve decided it was because that’s what floats your boat. Nobody forced all those people to queue for hours on end and overnight in Scotland and England. Nobody forced farmers to line tractors up in a field in Scotland as the Queen’s coffin went past.

Many people wished to pay their respects and did so but it wasn’t a PR stunt staged by the RF who, incidentally, wouldn’t have enjoyed having the cameras on them continuously whilst grieving for a much loved mother and granny.

always

I know volver and you slways do the opposite It’s just the way we are.

Those who think H&M have behaved badly will believe anything that proves them right. Those who think they have been badly treated will believe anything that supports that view.
Whether any versions are facts or not.
QED

Neither of us can swear we know the absolute truth

No, we can't. But you choose to believe the version that reflects badly on Harry. Sorry to be blunt, but you always do.

Grany

^Do we want a Head of State elected by people who can’t be bothered about Parliamentary Acts?^

We have that already King that can't do anything Except what PM asks. He does not defend the laws of our constitution from PM who is then able to break those laws.

Lathyrus what we have now is a king with no checks and balances on parliment PM it's like a football match with no referee.

An elected president would have no political power but would have limited power the one important one is to defend our constitution against a PM who is breaking the laws of our constitution.

There is also the puzzling fact that it was announced that Harry and Meghan were going to travel to Balmoral together. Then a time lapse during which the other royals arrived at the plane which was to take them to Scotland. We know this as a fact. We know Harry did not arrive at the plane and eventually it took off without him. Some time later Harry flew up to Scotland alone. After an announcement that he would be going with Meghan. But we know Meghan didn’t go.

Grany

^Do we want a Head of State elected by people who can’t be bothered about Parliamentary Acts?^

We have that already King that can't do anything Except what PM asks. He does not defend the laws of our constitution from PM who is then able to break those laws.

Not quite the same thing as someone who bases their ‘knowledge” and comments on what the Press prints though.

That’s just lazy or worse.

No volver, that’s not exactly what I said. What I said was it was…..reported that Harry arrived later than the others at Balmoral because he wasted time trying to persuade Charles that Meghan should go with him.
We do know that Harry arrived some time after the others. That’s a fact. I think that’s it’s highly likely that the leaks provided the answer. Unfortunately people who leak will rarely, if ever, agree to being identified. I think it’s highly likely that it’s true, you think it’s probably not true. Neither of us can swear we know the absolute truth, so we have to agree to differ on our interpretation of what’s likely to have happened

Do we want a Head of State elected by people who can’t be bothered about Parliamentary Acts?

We have that already King that can't do anything Except what PM asks. He does not defend the laws of our constitution from PM who is then able to break those laws.

Prince Harry is a good sort and has done a lot of good work. However he should change his image if he wants to be taken seriously. Whooping it up in California lacks gravitas.

Similarly King Charles is a good man. However I can't understand how he thinks we can take seriously a man who kills birds for fun.

But you (general) believe them maddyone. I saw it "reported" that the king held back from telling Harry about the Queen for several hours. I've no idea if its true or not, but I know that people believe what reinforces their preconceptions. And that little titbit doesn't reinforce the preconceptions that the anti M&H people have.

I can almost guarantee you that someone will come along and say something to the effect of "well that's not true but you would think that because you love Meghan".

And its highly likely that they were all made up. That's exactly how it works.

I wonder if the dogs and the horse was in the Queen’s own plan, or if was added as a nice touch. I’m sure the animals had no idea what was going on, but I think they’ll miss her, especially the dogs.

Yes volver, it was reported. I didn’t claim these things were facts but it’s highly unlikely that the press/reporters simply made all those things up. They rely on ‘off the record’ people who do actually do know but don’t want to be identified. In other word, leaks! You know this as well as I do, you’re simply unwilling to accept anything other than a hard, provable fact which as a scientist doesn’t surprise me. But it’s not the way the world works in the news industry. The timeline cannot be disputed though. Harry arrived some time after the others although he was in Windsor just as they were. He was photographed leaving first, alone. Now fit in the leaks and you can build the picture easily. We are not in a science lab and life isn’t lived like that. But you know that.

volver I would be astounded had they not ‘Told the Bees’.