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Care Home Fees

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Ana Thu 04-Apr-13 17:47:42

In what way does Frank encourage unfairness? hmm

shysal Thu 04-Apr-13 17:47:15

Who else thinks the OP is a wind-up?hmm

bluebell Thu 04-Apr-13 17:45:31

Bentley - it was a very brave post. At least you were trying to come up with some ideas because whatever our views on this, more and more people will need care and it will have to be paid for. The present situation and the govt's proposals are riddled with unfairnesses which people like Frank encourage but none of that solves the problem. I wish I could think of a fair solution but there will always be ways round any ideas.

HUNTERF Thu 04-Apr-13 17:28:59

Anybody is welcome to add to my reply as I am sure 1 person can not think of everything.

Frank

sunseeker Thu 04-Apr-13 16:25:44

A well reasoned response Frank

Nonu Thu 04-Apr-13 16:14:54

Well said Hunterf

HUNTERF Thu 04-Apr-13 15:56:53

Gerry

A person can not be held liable for another person's care fees.
A spouse is entitled to will his / her property to whoever he or she desires. It will then not be the property of the person needing care and it can not be used without the consent of the beneficiary.
If a house is in the husbands sole name and he has to go in to care it is unlawful to sell or put a charge on the property at present even if it is in his sole name.
Also the wife may be able to prevent a charge being put on the property under the married woman property act.
If the property is in joint names and the joint owner is still living in the property he / she has the right to occupy it indefinitely so the value of the joint owners share is nil as nobody will buy half a house with somebody in it.
With regard to putting limits on an amount a person can inherit it would act as a disincentive for a person to work and create wealth if they know their wealth will not go to the son / daughter when they pass away.
Also people may get round the regulations for example by leaving £200,000 to their son, £200,000 to their daughter in law and £200,000 for each of the grandchildren.
With regards to your proposals to take care fees from wealthy children if this happens you will remove the incentive for them to save for retirement if people know the money could be taken for the parent's care fees.
£100,000 may sound a lot but if the children are about to retire or just retired the money could be their retirement nest egg.
Also what would you do if the children are abroad and not subject to UK law.
Another problem could happen here. If one child is in the UK and another is not and if the one who is abroad refuses to pay are you going to make the one in the UK pay all the fees?.

Frank

HUNTERF Thu 04-Apr-13 13:35:41

Yes I have seen this post and will be composing a reply.

Frank

sunseeker Thu 04-Apr-13 13:14:37

cue Frank

bentley49 Thu 04-Apr-13 10:48:54

There are so many people wanting to avoid care home fees these days.
In my view everything possible should be done to recover the fees from the family.
I would say it is ok for a spouse to leave their half of the house to the children but care home fees should take prority so if the other spouse has to go in to care if his / her half of the house is used to pay the fees the person who inherited the other half should be liable.
Also if a husband / wife occupies the house when their spouse is in care a charge should be put on the house so the fees could be recovered when it is sold.
Another thing they could do is put a limit on how much a person can inherit in his or her life say £200,000.
Any more should be taken and used for the care of other people.
If there are insufficient assetts wealthy children should be held liable.
If the children have houses which are too large for their needs or savings over £100k they should be made to pay the care home fees.

Gerry