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The song 'Imagine'

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imjingl Thu 03-May-12 09:20:53

I think this song is one of those pop songs that sound very dreamy, and even 'worthy' on the surface, but in fact has no substance whatsoever when relating it to real life.

"Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace..."

Yes. Imagine. Because that's all it would ever be without people and politicians putting in real time and effort to change things.

"I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will live as one."

Join you where John? In bed with Yoko? 'Only sleeping'?

(I started a new thread for this, apart from my Hymns thread. smile

nanachrissy Fri 04-May-12 07:37:31

I've never liked JL,or the song/melody, but I think the lyrics are really quite wistful and gentle smile

whenim64 Fri 04-May-12 07:11:17

I don't understand why a songwriter has to be judged on whether they are hypocritical. What's that got to do with successful songs he produced? Lots of people live away from their place of birth without being criticised when they speak sentimentally about it. John Lennon was no hero of mine - he was arrogant. However, he and his wife did give time and money to Liverpool and local charities and Yoko Ono still supports several small Liverpool charities and Barnardo's. The lyrics are sentimental and idealistic, and the tune is catchy. It works for me because I agree with the lyrics, no matter who penned them.

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace

You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world

You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will live as one

Greatnan Fri 04-May-12 06:42:32

Jane still works for me, Bags. I attribute my wide reading to having lived in a slum and hating sports. Peel Park library was my spiritual home. MY grandchildren have sometimes asked me what we did without TV/video games etc. Simple answer - we all read.

Bags Fri 04-May-12 06:27:06

It's a song about a world like the garden of eden – escapism. My escapism used to be reading Jane Austen.

pollytunnel Fri 04-May-12 02:04:29

what about this strange song hallelujah...sat in the kitchen chair...cut my hair..what is all that about....

Greatnan Fri 04-May-12 00:20:59

'Imagine no possessions' - written by a multi-millionaire. I think that is hypocrisy. Similarly, singing sentimental songs about a birthplace you couldn't wait to leave.

imjingl Thu 03-May-12 22:08:40

I'm just baffled Anagram.

imjingl Thu 03-May-12 22:08:08

There was nothing wrong with John Lennon living in the US, or anywhere he wanted to live.

What's that got to do with the price of potatos the song 'Imagine'?

nanaej Thu 03-May-12 21:52:33

Why was it wrong of JL to travel and live somewhere different??

Anagram Thu 03-May-12 21:50:13

But the song isn't about Liverpool, or leaving it, or wanting to go back to it...I am still baffled by the accusation of hypocrisy! confused

whenim64 Thu 03-May-12 21:33:31

I don't connect the song and its lyrics to the person who wrote them, or where he lived - could never stand John Lennon, but I do think the song is special smile

There are lots of songs I love and I don't know the first thing about who might have written them - don't care as long as the song is good.

Anagram Thu 03-May-12 21:07:13

What have the words of 'Imagine' got to do with Lennon living moving away from Liverpool? I don't understand your point, Greatnan.

Anne58 Thu 03-May-12 20:43:39

Can't stand it!

Greatnan Thu 03-May-12 20:39:43

He was living in New York when he died. Perhaps if he had stayed in Liverpool..............

nanaej Thu 03-May-12 20:08:08

It wasn't Lennon's fault he left the world! wink

merlotgran Thu 03-May-12 15:39:33

Hear hear, Greatnan

glassortwo Thu 03-May-12 12:38:36

susie I have had a peek, but where is your Sister?

greatnan I agree all the so called stars all sing the praises of home but where do they live.... not at home!

Greatnan Thu 03-May-12 12:34:22

susie????
The song is rank hypocrisy on the part of one of the richest men in show business.
It is on a par with all those professional Scotsmen, like Billy Connolly and Sean Connery who live in the USA, and professional 'Scousers' who prefer Weybridge to Liverpool. By all means move on socially and geographically, but don't romanticise the place you have left - it if were that bloody good you would have stayed!

susiecb Thu 03-May-12 12:20:44

I am in the middle behind my nephew in a red anorak (him not me)!
Been absent this week as lap top died of old age and had to get a new one set up.

nanaej Thu 03-May-12 10:57:33

imjingl isn't the point of the lyrics that you would not need to put things right??? Idealistic but just imagine!

Anagram Thu 03-May-12 10:42:12

I can see susie.

GoldenGran Thu 03-May-12 10:22:11

funny, I've always thought it was a slightly childlike dirge, but never voiced it before. Possibly because so many love and revere it.

imjingl Thu 03-May-12 10:15:18

You sure you weren't the one taking the photo?

imjingl Thu 03-May-12 10:14:58

susie - you know your profile pic, I think you might have vanished. I can't see you. I've checked with a magnifying glass. You can't be that small. shock

Anagram Thu 03-May-12 10:07:30

Never liked it. Pretentious twaddle!