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Missing Schoolgirl Megan Stammers.

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dorsetpennt Wed 26-Sept-12 09:33:10

In the late 60's my then husband and I attended a dinner dance and met a school friend of his - we were in our early 20's. This chap had a History degree from Oxford and had taken a post-grad course in teaching. He was extremely lucky to get a post at a well known excellent London state school teaching history to 5th and 6th formers. He loved teaching but found the girls particularly difficult. Bearing in mind his age and that of the other teachers, he was their generation, enjoyed the same music, fashion etc. The girls were overtly sexual towards him, dropped off little love notes in his brief case, followed him home and knocked on his door, found out which pub he frequented etc etc. Unlike the teacher in Megan's case, he did not take up any offers and kept himself as aloof as possible.
We met him again a year later and by then he'd left the school and was teaching at an all boys grammer school and was much happier.
I'm not condoning Jeremy Forrest's behaviour, as an adult man in his 30's he should certainly know a lot better. Does he really think he can get away with this, that he won't be caught, that she isn't going to start to miss her mum and friends. She is only 15 years old for goodness sake. He will be on the sexual criminal register and will never be able to teach in this country again.
My point is that Megan may have behaved like the girls I talked about and he encouraged it [probably jokingly at first] and took it further.
With help she will get over this, in time realise what a creep he is and she will meet a decent boy nearer her age.
He on the other hand will have lost his job, his wife, probably most of his friends, no one will trust him near their young daughters, he has ruined his life. GOOD

Bags Mon 01-Oct-12 05:56:00

How refreshing you are, jings! grin

specki4eyes Sun 30-Sept-12 23:08:06

You and I Greatnan are keeping french hours, so my eyes are hurting and its way past my bedtime. So I will tell you my frustrations and confusions tomorrow...night night smile

Greatnan Sun 30-Sept-12 22:20:15

Tell us what is frustrating and confusing you, and perhaps we can make things clearer! It is quite permissible for any member to disagree with any other member- we are a broad church (so to speak!)

specki4eyes Sun 30-Sept-12 22:15:49

Goodo! smile But I didn't say I wasn't interested - just frustrated and confused! Its my age, peut etre.

crimson Sun 30-Sept-12 22:14:59

It shows how most things in life aren't black and white but grey. I heard someone say today something to the effect of us all being a combination of angel and demon. Or something like that.

whenim64 Sun 30-Sept-12 22:11:50

I've found it very interesting, too! smile

Greatnan Sun 30-Sept-12 22:10:22

Sorry you feel like that - I have found it stimulating and interesting!

specki4eyes Sun 30-Sept-12 22:07:28

Is this thread fizzling out? If so, I think we must conclude that we have been debating the story of Megan and her teacher PLUS the principle of child exploitation in all its many forms. Often, both at the same time. Inevitable I suppose but still it has been a confusing and frustrating debate.

jeni Sun 30-Sept-12 21:23:18

The goddess forbid!shock

whenim64 Sun 30-Sept-12 21:07:31

Careful Jingle You'll be talking psycho-babble next! grin

whenim64 Sun 30-Sept-12 21:05:43

Ha Ha! Jingle any psychologist would love to test your personality! grin

JO4 Sun 30-Sept-12 21:04:22

I was just reading about that Bandura here and it does all sound a bit obvious. Just expressed in a high fallutin' way. grin

JO4 Sun 30-Sept-12 21:01:36

grin

I don't know why I'm so anti-experts. It's probably a personality flaw. grin

whenim64 Sun 30-Sept-12 20:50:25

J04 I'm beginning to think some social scientist frightened you when you were a baby!! I always expect your flick on the ear when I mention psychologists! [sarky Freudian emoticon] grin

whenim64 Sun 30-Sept-12 20:44:52

Jingle it's the rest of that long sentence that is relevant to the bit you've extracted, not just that phrase, which means little when it's out of context.

nightowl Sun 30-Sept-12 20:37:03

JO4 smile.

I can't find anything on children's innate sexual feelings - maybe it's too much of a hot topic and would be misused by paedophiles seeking to excuse their behaviour. It's an interesting field.

JO4 Sun 30-Sept-12 20:34:47

I have no faith whatsoever in "experts".

JO4 Sun 30-Sept-12 20:34:07

" his theory of social learning includes the notion that children observe and imitate the significant adults in their lives, so may pick up certain attitudes and behaviour"

How long did it take him to work that out? hmm

Greatnan Sun 30-Sept-12 20:10:10

I don't doubt she is in love - there is always a bit of glamour about a teacher, travel guide, doctor, etc. My grandson had the best time of his life when he was a dive instructor in Croatia. He doesn't normally have much luck with girls! Perhaps they have a genuine love affair which will stand the test of time - of course it still does not absolve him from blame.

absentgrana Sun 30-Sept-12 19:58:16

Greatnan I was merely commenting on what seem like facts not repeating Judge Pickles judgemental conclusions. I think it seems that Megan thinks she is in love and wants to be with her lover or maths teacher or both, depending on how you view it.

Mishap Sun 30-Sept-12 19:04:38

Article in Sunday Times today where a young woman talks about her experiences at school in the 70s and how one teacher was well-known for his antics - but no-one seemed particularly worried by it. I can't say I remember anything similar when I was at school.

Although one of my friends when I was a teenager used to receive home visits from one of the middle-aged teachers - the girl went on the become severely mentally ill and spent her short life in a psychiatric hospital - hmmm.

whenim64 Sun 30-Sept-12 16:59:04

It's about time I put a bit of helpful info in Bags. I absorb all your scientific articles like a sponge, and you are so generous with them. smile

Bags Sun 30-Sept-12 16:50:27

Thanks, when. My life-long learning continues apace thanks to knowledgable people like you smile.

Greatnan Sun 30-Sept-12 16:15:36

I am glad to have your professional input, when, as my observations are just from my personal experience. I didn't think my school friends and I could be unique! Incidentally, my parents had separate bedrooms after my birth - I think my father was already beginning to suffer from the emphysema that killed him. Nor did we have access to any books or pictures about sexual activity. So, this was not learned or copied behaviour, just instinct.

nightowl Sun 30-Sept-12 16:14:29

Thanks when. I've forgotten anything I may have learned about that in my training. It goes without saying that I totally agree about our need to protect children from adults who exploit children's sexual feelings for their own pleasure.