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An ethical issue, or not?

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Bags Wed 03-Oct-12 05:45:44

G, grin

Greatnan Tue 02-Oct-12 23:09:37

Bags, whenever I join a new group I intend to be very quiet and ladylike - somehow it never lasts!

JessM Tue 02-Oct-12 21:30:15

Yes indeed.

jeni Tue 02-Oct-12 19:28:46

I'd agree bags

Bags Tue 02-Oct-12 19:24:19

Thanks, peeps. I like all your reasoning, and can feel my 'open-minded' attitude is OK. I thought it was, in my guts so to speak, but I'm a newbie at the meetings in question and don't want to shock them too much before I'm properly accepted wink. I just felt that the water carriers being 'moved on' was not really a problem and not a reason for stopping supplying them.

Greatnan Tue 02-Oct-12 19:03:42

I think some charities tend to send what they would like to receive themselves, rather than what the recipients actually need. We have some members who have actually been out to Africa - perhaps they could give us their insights into what is really useful.
Bags - I agree that it was up to the individuals concerned to decide whether they needed the water carrier or the money most.

Ana Tue 02-Oct-12 19:03:38

I agree with your post, too POGS. I saw a similar programme about a charity giving goats to families who couldn't even feed themselves and had no land where the animals could graze.

Ana Tue 02-Oct-12 18:44:10

Jess, I think you're right, the 'shock' Bags refers to was probably due to the perceived ingratitude of the recipients. I've been over-thinking again...
In reply to your question, Bags, I'd say that an open mind on such issues is indeed a good thing. Otherwise one could end up consumed by moral indignation over examples such as the one you give without allowing for the possibility that the recipients of charity know what's best for themselves.

POGS Tue 02-Oct-12 18:25:14

Bags

If they had sold the water carrier it begs the question 'how much was it needed in the first place'?. Please don't get me wrong, it's simply I would have thought the ability to carry water was a priority for the family. Maybe it was O.K. to sell the water carrier because the family knew it could collect water, how had they been surviving before the charity stepped in. At least 2 families may have benefitted, one with cash, the other with a water carrier, good result. Does that make sense, sorry if not.

I am not being arguementative I just feel sometimes charities provide items without placing them where needed. I was watching a news report that showed a tractor that had been given to a village but when it broke down it became useless as nobody could obtain a replacement part not obviously fit it. I think the initial giving of the tractor was fantastic but charities can be a little gung ho where, what and the follow up they provide with charity money.

JessM Tue 02-Oct-12 18:07:04

if the water carriers were given as part of a charitable initiative, and if those receiving them needed money more than the water carrier, the who are we to judge. maybe they were thought to be not properly grateful?

Ana Tue 02-Oct-12 17:36:54

Bags I think we've got our wires crossed a bit here! I agree about the individuals selling their water carriers to raise desperately-needed money, I was concerned about who was buying them. If it was a needy family, fine, but not fine if it was a profit-making scam.

JO4 Tue 02-Oct-12 16:55:12

But the water carrier would be meant for the benefit of the family, not just the one carrying the water. Not good, but what can you do?

Bags Tue 02-Oct-12 16:54:20

Sometimes I don't think I have a contorted enough mind!

Bags Tue 02-Oct-12 16:53:38

Perhaps that's where the shock came in. The someone who was shocked thought I meant something else.

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Bags Tue 02-Oct-12 16:52:50

I agree, nag, but I wasn't thinking it was an organisation that sold the water carriers, just individuals who urgently needed some cash perhaps and had only that to sell.

Ana Tue 02-Oct-12 16:50:28

I suppose so, but I wouldn't be happy with the thought that someone might be exploiting these people, paying them very little and then selling the water carriers on at a profit! sad

Bags Tue 02-Oct-12 16:48:02

I was at a meeting last night where, among other things, we were talking about Midomo (hope I've spelled that right) water carriers which had been supplied by a charity to somewhere in Africa. Someone said that some of the water carriers had been sold, presumably by the individuals or families to whom they were supplied, though that wasn't clear. I commented that if someone was using the carrier for its intended purpose, why did that matter? Another someone was quite shocked at that, but only went so far as to call it "a very open-minded attitude."

The conversation moved on. I'm still thinking that, in the end, if the water carrier benefits someone who didn't have one before, then some small part of "the greater good" has been achieved, and we shouldn't worry too much about why it was sold on. And is an open mind on suchbissues a good thing or not?

What do other gransnetters think?