Greatnan as I'm sure you'll agree there are people on here that derive great pleasure from manipulation, innocently presently manipulation. I'm not accusing you, there are several. What worries me is when that manipulation hurts others. We've seen instances of that lately and sadly, sometimes, those people just withdraw from Gransnet. It's quite interesting when someone posts on an old thread, I read and think, how lovely, lots of new names, but then realise that no, the thread is a year or more old...why does no one new seem to appear? I know I've only been a member of Gransnet for a few months, but the major posters I read when I first joined, still dominate. If you drive away new blood, Gransnet will cease to exist.