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Should prisons be made harsher?.

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HUNTERF Thu 31-Jan-13 22:09:01

Another thought I am having is prisons are not harsh enough to deter crime.
If beds were not provided and prisons were not heated this would save money and I am sure people would not offend again if they had to put up with these conditions for months or years.
There should be nothing like TV or any other non essential items.

Frank

annodomini Sun 03-Feb-13 16:47:03

Maybe Chris Grayling should have to do that, nanaej Or I could suggest a few plenty of other MPs for that exercise.

nanaej Sun 03-Feb-13 16:30:30

You know how some MPs try to impress the public by going to live with only the equivalent of a week of unemployment benefit etc.. maybe Frank would like to spend a week at HMP as part of some social research for us all?

Lilygran Sun 03-Feb-13 16:14:05

People in prison are being punished by being deprived of liberty, not by being made to live in slum conditions.

absent Sun 03-Feb-13 15:49:47

Prisons aren't comfortable places.

Ian42 Sun 03-Feb-13 15:45:48

Prisons should not be comfortable places, they are being punished not pampered.

annodomini Sun 03-Feb-13 11:02:45

Poor old Ken Clarke must be internally fuming!

vampirequeen Sun 03-Feb-13 10:21:37

Is Frank really Chris Grayling?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2272572/Criminals-face-new-spartan-prisons-Justice-Secretary-s-tough-regime-uniforms-Sky-TV-pocket-money.html#axzz2JpVuRmPZ

Movedalot Fri 01-Feb-13 17:38:02

No

absent Fri 01-Feb-13 17:36:05

"Ladies" – does this constitute cyber stalking?

Movedalot Fri 01-Feb-13 17:34:34

Ummmm, I was being ironic!

Most people in SC would not admit to being in Brum - it is I think!

jeni Fri 01-Feb-13 17:29:30

NOT really part of Brum.
Probably Roman rd then.

gracesmum Fri 01-Feb-13 17:16:32

It's Sutton Coldfield actually or so he says - remember "...one of the most expensive parts of Birmingham"

Movedalot Fri 01-Feb-13 17:12:50

I'm guessing that Frank lives in Handsworth. Anyone else got a guess?

Sorry to actually be serious but I do object to prisoners paying less for their TV than hospital patients. sad

gracesmum Fri 01-Feb-13 17:09:45

Don't tell Frank he'd be horrified - glass in the windows, food, maybe even central heating - and training to help them to make a living without re-offending when they have served their time -and all at his person expense as a tax-payer, whatever next! He'd be beside himself with self righteous indignation.
Privately - what a great idea!

Sel Fri 01-Feb-13 16:43:47

I'm going to prison on Monday. HMP High Down runs a training scheme for prisoners who wish to train in catering and hospitality - they have a restaurant and they need customers, real ones, to practice on. The scheme started a few years ago and seems to be very successful. On release, the prisoners have skills and many have found jobs. The reoffending rate is minimal. A brilliant idea really.

feetlebaum Fri 01-Feb-13 16:37:03

"They could also be located on a deserted island."

Look what happened last time we tried that; Australia!

feetlebaum Fri 01-Feb-13 16:36:30

"They could also be located on a deserted island."

Look what happened last time we tried that; Australia!

Ana Fri 01-Feb-13 16:25:30

Who's emmaH? confused

vampirequeen Fri 01-Feb-13 16:18:48

Oh elegran I love the idea of prisoners generating electricity for the national grid lol.

If not the national grid then the prison could be self sufficient in electricity. If they run out when their tea is cooking then they'll just have to do a bit more exercise.

There you go Frank...you've turned me from a leftie do gooder to...well not exactly a birch 'em and 'ang 'em high but a vicious retributionist grin

gracesmum Fri 01-Feb-13 14:12:57

Wind-up, Frank!!
HunterF and emmaH - sure there is no connection?

Mishap Fri 01-Feb-13 14:09:50

Ditto jeni - how do cats always know that you do not want them crawling all over you and make a beeline for you!?

Personally I would bring back the stocks - short, sharp and above all cheap!!

jeni Fri 01-Feb-13 13:35:57

Cats always love Megrin pity, because I'm allergic to them!

jeni Fri 01-Feb-13 13:32:57

Inmate!

HUNTERF Fri 01-Feb-13 13:28:40

Hi gracesmum

I would not go kicking kittens or any kind of animal although I did have to fight off a cat once.
Oddly enough cats do not like me probably because of my contact with dogs.
I hardly ever see any cats in my garden probably due to the fact everybody has a dog in my road.

Frank

j07 Fri 01-Feb-13 13:16:02

jeni! You can't say that! grin

(yes she can hmm)