If Radio 1 do play that wretched song.....

And you can go on wanting to know, lady. Don't you make your ridiculous demands to me.

Well, jo8, as I'm singing and humming this song for the same reason that other people are buying it I suppose that makes me the same as them.

As you posted, 'You do realise these morons haven't actually written the song themselves?' I'd like to know which definition of the word you're using.

Do you think I'm:
Stupid
Have special needs
Am George W. Bush

Silly compromise - "will play a few seconds".

Why would humming a song from Wizard of Oz make you need to look up the word 'moron'? (I did n' t give it a lot of thought tbh)

As I find myself regularly humming and singing this song I figured I'd better look up the definition of 'moron'.

There appears to be more than one definition of the word so, JO8, could you please explain which 'moron' you meant.

1. A stupid person; a dolt.
2. A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally having communication and social skills enabling some degree of academic or vocational education. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.
www.thefreedictionary.com/moron

Another word for George W Bush. Someone who lacks one shred of intellectual curiosity. Someone who uses the word 'misunderestimated'
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moron

Marmardoit; that is precisely what I was just thinking to myself. I would have felt more kindly towards her and her family if they had decided to do so. Anyway, it isn't as if she was THE first woman leader in the world; are we to believe that she is more important because she is/was British?? I think not.

It is a words one of my 13/14 yearold sons used to discribe a classmate.
He had a good telling off at school. I made him look the word up in the dictionary.

I assume an anti Mrs T song might name her. Like I say I consider it a very mild form of protest. Her son and daughter must know how some of their fellow citizens view their DM and if the GC are adults they must have some idea also. It is sad but if they had burried her quiety and disappeared very few would have shown much interest.

I think a mistake has been made in giving this so much publicity - without it the whole thing would have blown over, but as I said before I don't think the BBC should ban it, just not link it to MT's death. Apart from some obvious exceptions I am against censorship

No. Which word would you suggest? Bearing in mind that a moron is someone whose mental and emotional development stopped around the age of fourteen?

Why would they want to write alternative lyrics?

I'm sure they could write a more appropriate lyrics. But those would be baned.

Couldn't you have used a better word than moron!

"clever and appropriate satire" What?! Why clever? Or appropriate?

You do realise these morons haven't actually written the song themselves?

petallus "At least one of her children"? Well that's all right then. It didn't matter about the girl getting short shrift.
I can't work out if you were being ironic there.
It's the lack of non verbal clues again.

Our history of full of cartoons etc very disrepectful to much disliked public figures royalty and otherwise. Some of them were very vulgar indeed.

This is modest and was composed in a different context.

I would object to it being censored. Many years ago one newspaper published a cartoon after Prince Philip had been out shooting big game on some foreign trip.

The cartoon showed the royal coat of arms with all the animals lying dead and bleeding. This was late 50s early 60s?

There was a tremendous fuss about it being disrespectful, in fact it was an extremely pertinent satirical statement.

We must not censor clever and appropriate satire, which given the mood of a lot of the public, I think this song is.
If its got to the top of the charts it should be played.

Precisely HappyNanna = 'her family should be allowed to grieve in their own way in private'. Instead we have a media circus, a more or less state funeral, Parliament recalled, Question Time rescheduled, disruption all round. I have no idea what purpose, if any, is behind all this all this mayhem but have chosen to ignore it as best I can and will make a point of being away from it all next Wednesday. I have no wish to intrude in private grief.

Come to think of it, that's a point in her favour; she was a devoted mother who gave unconditional love to at least one of her children.

I already posted this on a different MT thread. Yes, MT gave Dennis the title, and made it hereditary which was unusual, many thought at the time with a view to it passing to Mark eventually.

Who certainly does not deserve the honour in my opinion.

As far as I am aware Denis T was made a Baronet by the Conservatives. Then it was an inherited honour. Well, he did deserve something for putting up with her!!

Mark Thatcher is a 'sir' because he inherited the title by way of his father who I think was a baronet.
Personally, I admired some of the things MT did. However, just like any other MP there were some of the policies I did not agree with. But, the lady is dead and her family should be allowed to grieve in their own way in private and not have to read/hear the sort of stuff that's been in the media in the last few days.

I didn't know they still had a Top 40.

There is nothing offensive about the song and as a form of protest it's very mild IMO.

If it's number one the BBC should play it. If it really upsets anyone they shouldn't listen.

I hope that nothing 'kicks off' on Wednesday but only for the sake of her family. I have yet to speak to anyone in real life who thinks a cerimonial funeral is a good idea. It is target and why should the taxpayer foot the bill? Will they give Blair the same sort of send off?

Many, many did suffer in the 80s (not only the miners), and it's too soon to hairbrush it all out. I do think that is happening especially on the BBC. Post Saville they have to be careful to get things right.

Nothing to do with OP but can anyone explain why Mrs T's son is Sir Mark. Did he win 5 gold medals or something?

ginny The song is not offensive. The way it has been used could be regarded as offensive and is certainly distasteful but that doesn't make the song offensive per se.

As long as the presenter does not link the song to Mrs Thatchers death then they should play it. How many people actually listen to the "Top 40" show in any event. All the people who have downloaded the song have done is to line the pockets of Sony (I think). Most people will just ignore it.

I am more concerned about a report on local radio this morning that a local Conservative party office has been attacked by vandals.

Absent Whilst the song was not originally offensive. The whole point is that now it is. We should not cannonise MT just because she is dead but there are people who have done far worse than her and none of the good.

I doubt her family give a damn about what we plebs think.

Carol Thatcher makes no secret of how she was pushed aside by her mother and that her brother was the golden child.

Neither of them exactly rushed back did they. The day my dad died I dropped everything and travelled to where he was even though I had to borrow the money to get there.

I agree wholeheartedly with jings... I'm taking a day away from Gransnet.

vampirequeen, I agree with your sentiments about Lady Thatcher, but I do have sympathy with her family. I feel sure that she was a loving and loved grandmother and I hope her grandchildren are not listening to some of the celebratory venom being spilt about her death. As far as I am concerned, she died long ago.