Andy Murray forgot his mum

I am not frustrated by the situation. I understand fully the reasons why we laud some more than others. I was really responding to deserving post who appeared very angry about the amounts of money some individuals earn. I agree that it oftn appears hugely out of proportion.

I just go on protesting/lobbying etc and that avoids frustration. At least I am one of the many people doing something and not just complaining. Though sometimes I do get to boiling point and have to let off steam...but not about AM.

p.s NOT suggesting that others are not pro-active in campaigning for their particular 'bees in bonnets'. But those who just moan about everything are a real pain.

Posts crossed, Sel.

I presume the terms were being applied to Sel, as she was the member who had used the term 'jaundiced'. However, I found deserving's post extremely hard to follow.

Actually I think deserving addressed her\his remarks to me. So thank you greatnan

Ooh Nonu I didn't realise you had this cross to bear. Must be good to get him out of the country, no Delia in the US

Sel ,you do realise i hope that himself is an avid Norwich City supporter , so you you insult her at your peril . As for me I could not give two flying f---s about her .

greatnan , who has DEV. insulted ?

I understand your frustration nanaej but there are very few Andy Murrays or any other elite sportsman. That makes them ultra marketable and watchable. People will pay for both. Every job is of equal worth, morally. We are all interdependent but some will earn more. It's life, open entry.

Nonu, yes, every member can 'have their say' but that does not mean we can insult each other. The idea of debate is to discuss ideas. Forum guidelines are quite clear.

Nonu aka Delia

I do think that some sports /arts have become so commercial that it is hard for 'ordinary' people to watch and enjoy them live. The cost of tickets to sporting /arts events is high but that is not always the fault of the athletes/sportswo/men or artists. I am happy to say 'Wow' and enjoy someone else's success when they reach the peak of their profession or create / do something amazing. However as a society we are selective in what we choose to get over excited about and that is because we like it when we can be a spectator: sport, art, music, dance, theatre, film etc.

When a surgeon completes his 1000th successful life changing operation, when the amazing teacher gets a concept through to yet another class of kids or the sewage guy prevents another stinking flood and the soldier defuses another explosive device we don't know about it! It can take as much hard work and dedication to be excellent at many jobs as it does for those we hear about and the financial rewards will never be equal. If I got angry about each one I would be miserable as sin. So best to work pro-actively to change things through campaigning, lobbying etc or accept that that is life and cherry pick what you want to see /read/watch.

I don't play any sort of sport [used to duck when the rounders ball came towards me at school saying 'but it's really hard and it'll hurt me']. What I can do, and that applies to most sports [with the possible exception of rugby which I don't understand] is know pretty quickly if what I am watching is good, even exceptional, and I saw a that at Wimbledon, with the Del Potro game and the final. I used to like hitting a ball against a wall and pretending I was winning something . In fact, I think I still would enjoy doing that [no suitable wall, though].

That sums it up nicely Ana , wish they would post more often !!

Come on Deserving lets be "Avin" you .

It seems to me that a lot of GN people can't play tennis. I played match tennis at a low level for 8 years and all that about wanting to win and trying to catch your opposite number out is part of the game. The whole point of the game. That is why it is so satisfying to play because you want to win. There is no other reason for going onto the tennis court.
You might as well stay in your back yard and hit the ball against the kitchen wall.

Nonu and Ana

Actual LOLs and thanks.

deserving's an old hand. Pops up occasionally to give us the benefit of his/her ponderings and moves on again...

Comes out shooting from the hip [[ajoke]

Deserving If you get this annoyed at a sporting event, what do you do when you're really annoyed with something/someone?

I'll never forget going to a football match and being surprised that people watching applauded the players, as it was something I never heard when it was on the telly.

I saw fair play at Wimbledon. I liked seeing the winnng player achnowledge his good luck when the ball caught the net and and dropped on the opponent's side to win him a point. I like how the crowd applauds both players, even when one is not being gentlemanly. The hype isn't of Andy Murray's making. He'll be thinking about his next match now.

Deserving should be allowed to have their say , same as the rest of us .

Galen , or businesswoman ??

got be P.C.

Well, Deserving - that's us "tellt" isn't it? And there was me thinking "Come on Andy!" or even "Well done Wiggo "(last year) in my innocence misapprehension that we can all take some pride in the sporting achievements of our countrymen/women. I know it's big bucks- it's entertainment and that is big bucks. Am I bothered? Not particularlly. It is an industry in itself. Whether you are talking about cricket, tennis, rugby, racing, cycling, football or underwater basket-weaving, whatever, sport employs many people, brings pleasure to others and what is wrong with that?
If some rags want to print the intimate details of Andy's early games of Monopoly or Wiggo's first stabilisers - so what?
Ami being unfair to suggest that you might lighten up a bit. OK maybe it's not your thing just leave it there?

Deserving -I don't follow your post - who is resentful, envious and jealous? If you are referring to another member of Gransnet, may I remind you that it is not in the guidelines to offer insults.

why all the rhetoric?
Just say people play to win big money!
It's a profession
A way of life!
What's the difference between that and being a successful businessman?