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Greatnan Tue 06-Aug-13 07:15:56

Headline in The Daily Mail:
The death of the man who sunk the Belgrano: Falklands Navy hero Sir John 'Sandy' Woodward dies aged 81

granjura Tue 06-Aug-13 17:15:01

I have no feelings for this man either, and was totally against the Malvinas war. But I can see why this post would seem so insensitive to many.

I can think of terrible things that have happened to people's families, in general and also on GN - and what seems very sensitive and hurtful to one or more, due to past history, may not be for another or others.

What upsets me is that some just cannot see it. I could m produce a similar sentence, with the same mistakes in a different context- which would be so hurtful and upsetting to some or many, because of their past history. So best NOT post it surely. I can't understand how some of you cannot 'feel' that. Some things are beyond pedantry- although I agree the grammar and syntax is appalling. Even at school, when learning English as a FL, we learnt that it is : sink, sank, sunk.

Nonu Tue 06-Aug-13 17:14:54

Really Elegran !!!! My oh my .

Ella46 Tue 06-Aug-13 17:14:12

It's been unpleasant for some time now MiceElf!

MiceElf Tue 06-Aug-13 17:09:47

And I did too. This place is becoming very unpleasant.

Elegran Tue 06-Aug-13 17:08:42

Not yours, Nonu, it was J08s.

Elegran Tue 06-Aug-13 17:07:14

And if you want to know who reported your last post - it was me. As soon as I saw it.

Nonu Tue 06-Aug-13 17:07:00

I do remember commenting on the French police and being moaned at for being rascist !!!

Greatnan Tue 06-Aug-13 17:05:39

Sorry, bags, the past tense of sink is definitely sank. The passive is sunk as in The Ship was sunk. He sank the ship.
I have no feelings about the death of this man, and certainly did not envisage any debate about his achievements or the war. Still, any way of getting at me...........grin

Jingle - remember the thread about the murders near Annecy?

Elegran Tue 06-Aug-13 17:05:19

You can see it and respect it and still comment on the grammar.

Just as you, J08, could see and presumably respect the honest feelings of posters on some threads in the past and still comment asking someone to pass you the sickbag. If you live in a glass house, don't call the kettle back, and don't throw stones at the pot.

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Bags Tue 06-Aug-13 16:59:49

No?

j08 Tue 06-Aug-13 16:59:47

Oh God. He most likely saved a good number of our sailors from dying. That's all. hmm He was a brave man and served his country well.

Bags Tue 06-Aug-13 16:59:32

I have sunk this rubber duck wouldn't sound right as I have sank...

whereas I sunk this duck = I sank this duck

Bags Tue 06-Aug-13 16:58:22

I thought sank and sunk were both past participles of sink, almost interchangeable.

Elegran Tue 06-Aug-13 16:53:33

The original post was about the inability of a journalist to report his sinking of the Belgrano grammatically. He did not sunk it, he sank it.

He was 81. He had a good career, saw action, sank a famous enemy ship, is mourned by friends and family. We who never met him don't need to show our sensitivity in a dramatic display of grief. We know more about Mishap's old Dad than we do about this man, and it comes nearer to us.

MiceElf Tue 06-Aug-13 16:49:33

Absolutely Bags. The only thing I feel sad about is the totally pointless loss of life, both British and Argentinian in a stupid war.

And if you're a sub, then do your job properly.

Bags Tue 06-Aug-13 16:43:35

It's just a piece of news. We all die.

Bags Tue 06-Aug-13 16:43:02

jura, the subject matter is irrelevant if one is simply talking about the grammar of a phrase or sentence. It's perfectly possible to be critical of the grammar while feeling emotion about the subject.

Though, to be honest, I don't feel any emotion about this Sandy chappy dying. Why should I? I wouldn't have know him from Adam, even with his uniform on.

Bags Tue 06-Aug-13 16:40:48

Seriously, greatnan, I don't know what the grammatical faux pas is! I'm not criticising your grammatical pedantry. smile

Greatnan Tue 06-Aug-13 16:32:51

The subject was grammar - how can I be insensitive about that?

granjura Tue 06-Aug-13 16:26:12

A pedant is one thing...

but totally insensitive about the subject is another, surely.

Greatnan Tue 06-Aug-13 16:19:18

One day I will be able to post a thread without being jumped on, but obviously not yet.
I feel that reporters, proof readers and sub editors should be able to write grammatically. If that makes me a pedant, so be it.

Ana Tue 06-Aug-13 16:19:00

Glad that's been established!

Anne58 Tue 06-Aug-13 16:13:33

It is, and it is, Ana