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bluebell Sun 15-Sept-13 16:53:38

The 'correct rules' of today are about treating people with respect and we've all ( or most of us) moved on from what was accepted language in our childhood. I would never use the abbreviation you used nor the words for the Irish, Welsh etc. but carry on thinking you don't have to abide by civilised respectful rules of communication and it won't just be a thread that will go

Greatnan Sun 15-Sept-13 16:52:02

A person's colour is whatever they want it to be - it is not up to others to label them.

NfkDumpling Sun 15-Sept-13 16:48:35

I should add that I have problems with a person's colour. Some years ago a new chap joined our office. My immediate boss said that he ticked the right boxes as he was an ethnic minority. I asked how and she said he was a West Ham supporter. This gorgeous bloke arrived speaking with a London accent and I just assumed she was being funny - him being from London which to us is foreign. It wasn't until he came back from a Mediterranean holiday I realised - to his amusement and my confusion - that he was black! (I had to ask him!)
When does a person become black? President Obama is half black and half white - which apparently makes him black. My son's friend has a Polynesian grandmother - which apparently makes him black. (He doesn't look black to me.) My friend who is half Dutch and half Indonesian says she's Dutch as that's where she was born - although she lived in Indonesia.
I'm not racist. It's too complicated for me!

KatyK Sun 15-Sept-13 16:43:18

I'm from an Irish family too. It has always been OK to take a pop at the Irish - call them thick or whatever. I have usually found that the Irish have been able to laugh at themselves. My (very Irish) father used to love being told Irish jokes, he never took offence.

NfkDumpling Sun 15-Sept-13 16:36:33

I assume that originally the Pakistani community felt insulted by the shortening of their country of origin so racists picked up on it and used the name in a derogatory way and so it became so.
There will always be morons who, because of their own insecurities like to put down others - either for race, creed, disability or just being a bit different.
However, it can be difficult for us who live in areas where ethnic minorities are well integrated to understand what the fuss is about.
(I hope this doesn't make me anti-moron, as I do realise they exist and are the way they are through no fault of their own and try to make allowances for their inadequacies as I hope they make allowances for mine)

tanith Sun 15-Sept-13 16:19:16

Sorry poppy1 but where I come from that shortened version of Pakistani is used in a derogatory way and usually by a racist. It may not be the way you meant it but I for one do feel, rightly or wrongly that the term is racist. Whether the thread should of been pulled with no explanation or not is up to the powers that be.

poppy1 Sun 15-Sept-13 16:10:31

"No "
lets not move on,
Im from an irish family and the street i lived in as a child was 80% irish at school we we're known as paddys, the welsh as taffs the shortening of the breed of people went on with no offence meant or taken, scouser's brummies etc etc etc
to use a shortend part of PAKISTANI is'nt meant to be an insult (not by me anyway) no more than to be called a paddy or a taff, or a scott.

only this morning on the tv the sports commentator called it the taff army ref supporters of cardiff football club, im sure he wont be termed as a racist or have his remark taken off the air.

Its about time one or two people got this sort of thing sorted out once and for all,
Who ever decided to remove the thread has decided the writier "myself" was making a racist remark and i was not.

Im willing to stand up and get the record straight ref what i am and what im not and a racist "Im " and im not willing to move on to let anyone say otherwise.

Christ you cant even smile at a kid these days without thinking i'd better not do that incase someone thinks im some sort of perv,
When are we going to be able to move without the thought of is this alright or am i doing something wrong by these so called correct rules of today.???

Aka Sun 15-Sept-13 15:28:20

I wouldn't use the word myself but the correct term should have been Pakistani. Enough said let's move on.

poppy1 Sun 15-Sept-13 15:19:44

Thank you "thatbags"

I can assure anyone who did read the thread that ive never been racist in my life and dont intend to be now, i would strongly ask the admin to tell me and all the readers of this forum just what was said that was racist????

If your so certain that any of the thread was racist "I as the writer has a right to know"
You can't just decide that someone carries a tag saying they're racist when they are saying they are not.

If i was racist i'd be flying the flag to say so "but i am 100% Not in anyway that sort of person and i dont like being accused of such a thing.

So please lets both hear and see this racist remark ive supposted to have made.
Regards Poppy1 [confused & really angry]

thatbags Sun 15-Sept-13 15:09:29

I didn't read it but I understand that a term that is regarded as racist was used.

poppy1 Sun 15-Sept-13 15:08:32

The thread ref "caothangers and pain has been removed,
I dont understand why!

It wasnt meant to be offensive or in any ill taste yet ive just tried to read any replies and find Aka had replied last and yet the complete thread has been taken off?

May i ask why? If we dont know whats been done thats so wrong how do we know not to repeat the same wrong doings again?
At 64 years of age i certainly dont want to upset or offend anybody 'but feel to be told why would be a help.