Calling Vegetarians

My sentiments exactly, Thatbags and Ana, and that is what I meant by assuming the moral high ground.

Dj I'm human, therefore an animal! No one knows the cause of the Antonine plague! Could have been Pasturella Pestis or even yellow fever ( ? Infectious hepatitis)

Today for lunch we had a Waitrose chicken breast joint (was just me and DH) with bread sauce, broccoli and roast potatoes. Gravy made with Bisto and cornflour with a bit of chicken gravy granules added as it needed thickening up. It was so delicious.

I don't know why I'm posting this on a vegetarian thread. I hope I have not upset anyone.

#sympathytothechicken

Isn't pasteurella pestis/yersinia pestis transmitted through the skin or the lungs? I didn't think it was through food?

I'm going to go and polish off the last of the fruit crumble now.

Life is sweet.

Sounds delicious, Jings

Then I will go to bed in my Marks and Sparks wincyette goonie.



'Night Elegran

I love vegetarian food but at the end of the day it's just a dish with no meat in it.

If that's what you think merlot, then you do not respect vegetarians, a bit like lots of others on this thread.

Galen thought it was smallpox, galen, or so I am led to believe.

Just because I do not respect meat eaters does not mean I am assuming the moral high ground. It just means I do not respect meat eaters.
Respect and morality are not the same. Morality is to do with ethics. Respect is not.
I might respect those who grow and kill their own meat, realising in saying this that I am leaving myself open to criticism and speculation about my own buying and gardening habits.

Elegran through flea bites! The fleas lived on the rats. Could then be transmitted through contact from infected buboes (bubonic) or through the much more virulent pneumonic form which was air spread!
Dj no one knows yet. They're trying to isolate virus particles from mass graves found under the Vatican that they think are victims of the Antonine plague!

By the way, I deny any connection with any plague!
( except to quote from Shakespeare, a plague on both your houses, when it comes to politics!)

I do hope they do not, Galen. My family always laugh at me because I would not watch any of the Jurassic Park films because it's too close to reality. I read a book about how to recreate dinosaurs and it said it could only happen by accident. That, to my mind, is the problem.
There's a plague cemetery in York. I steered clear of that as well, not going on any of the walks to show us about it.

At least you were not a quack, Galen, and did not have to wear one of those silly beaks.

Hope gagagran is still not reading this!

I'm not that old! Venetian Drs did wear beaked masks stuffed with spices to ward off the plague A!
Another plague was of course cholera, transmitted by contaminated water supplies. Still endemic today.
As is polio, with Pakistan playing silly,B******s

Your lack of respect for people who make choices you don't like is evident in your posting 'tone', dj. So I was pretty much on the mark earlier. Enjoy your despising.

To be realistic thatbags most of us go around despising people who make choices we would not.

For instance, if they drape their houses with flags, vote for UKIP, visit prostitutes even if it is know they have been coerced, lie to get their children into faith schools. The list is endless.

As for vegetarianism, I have been veggie for about 35 years. It started when I began to feel squeamish about handling and eating meat.

If I suddenly fancied meat again I would make sure it was organic and the animal had been treated well.

I don't despise meat eaters but sometimes wonder why there is not more protest about bad treatment of animals who are reared and killed for food. I once heard a lecture by someone who worked in a abattoir (sp) and it was gruesome.

Finally, some meat eaters are quite hostile to vegetarians. I'm not sure why. I've had to endure a fair amount of jeering of the 'don't you want to eat the cute little bunny wabbit' kind over the years.

Good post petallus. It's the reason I try to avoid all discussions about the rights and wrongs of different food choices. If people want to discuss it, fine. If they just want to try to find that 'gotcha' moment (where my choice to be a vegetarian will come crashing down at my feet) then I can't be bothered.

I do agree that I'm surprised there is not more fuss about the way animals are treated and killed. It makes me laugh when we are described as 'a nation of animal lovers', though to be honest it's not at all funny.

As an omnivore I don't despise anyone's eating choices - my sister has been a strict vegetarian (no meat or fish products) for nearly 30 years so it's something I'm used to catering for.

What I am irritated by are the pretend veggies - you know the ones who make a song and dance and great pronouncements but are caught eating a bacon sarnie! Or they'll just have a little bit of chicken ... that well-known vegetable.

As an aside, my sister was horrified to discover that the Dalai Lama eats meat

Speak for yourself, petallus. I might despise behaviour (such as that of ISIS members) but I don't go around despising people, and certainly not for making food choices that I disagree with, which is what we were talking about here.

I wish you joy of your contempt.

nightowl, you are mistaken if you think I do anything more than disagree that being vegetarian is better than being omnivore. I have reasons for thinking thus just as you have reasons for thinking, and acting with regard to food choices, as you do. I respect that and I do not disrespect you or any other vegetarian.

Someone saying they don't respect people who disagree with them is on an altogether different plane. One that shocks me, actually.

thatbags I'm not sure what you think I was saying but please believe that my post above was not aimed at you or at any individual here on gransnet. It was a very general point resulting from years of dealing with the 'gotcha' people in everyday life who seem to think my choice to be a vegetarian is some kind of personal insult to them.

I do appreciate that a lot of vegatarians love animals and don't want them slaughtered.
There is a way of farming animals which is humane and all the meat I buy is from those kind of farmers. It is not difficult as I live in the part of the EU which has the highest proportion of organic food grown and farmed.

But it is more expensive and it would never do to feed the world that way. there would be more starvation and more children getting too little protein.

My friends are vegatarian and my nephew brought up 2 children in Ireland as vegans at a time (1990), when this was not popular at all.

My friends cooks ham for their grandchildren if required and my nephew has given up as a vegan; one of his sons now 26, eats meat and the other is a fish and eggs vegetarian.
Meat protein is a brain food. Our brains developed because we are meat eaters. We have the teeth for eating meat and the rest of our digestive sytem is guaged to digest meat - not grass. For that you need two stomachs.

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thatbags I didn't say I personally despised those people I gave as examples in my post. I was saying that there is a lot of despising going on in our society and it is probably just part of the human range of emotions to feel contempt under certain circumstances.

I am surprised you are shocked by this.

I am quite prepared to accept the distinction between despising someone and despising their behaviour. It's a bit like the Christian idea of hate the sin not the sinner isn't it?

Sometimes, however, whether I should or not, despise/feel contempt for some people (not just their behaviour). Predatory paedophiles for instance.

I'm happy with that.

Margaret please don't let us get into a discussion about whether or not humans need meat or whether it is 'brain food'. That may be your opinion but the argument is simply not supported by any evidence. You can probably quote me studies that prove meat is necessary for good health. I can then show you studies that prove that vegetarians (or vegans) are far healthier than those that eat meat. Let's just accept that humans can live on a very wide variety of foods and can get everything they need from a variety of different diets, a vegetarian diet (or vegan) being just one.