How stupid is Corbyn getting

ps what are credit default swaps?

(speaking as someone who cannot even find the password to get into her online isa account)

At least I have ideas, soon.

I somehow feel that JCs sartorial choice is as much to do with his aim at inclusiveness as much as anything else. Saville Row would only relate to a tiny portion of the population, but woollies etc most people can relate to.

I don't see many men of his age going round with a vest underneath an open shirt so not that 'inclusive', not in my neck of the woods anyway.
As I mentioned previously, there are plenty of nice suits or sports jackets around without going to Savile Row - and a shirt without the vest would look good with a woolly pully when it gets a bit chillier. In fact, I don't mind if he wears the vest all year round as long as it doesn't show

Anyway, I think he heard me because he looked much smarter in recent photos - a nice jacket (M&S?) with a crisp white shirt underneath. Well done Jeremy.

Not right soon,if jen thinks something is a good idea it means you are very unlikely to think the same, this is obvious by the posts from you both on the refugees , reading jens posts it is obvious she is deeply concerned for these people , because you have different thoughts and attitudes towards things , doesn't mean you are right and Jen is wrong

All this talk about clothes. Who cares what anyone wears so long as it is clean and decent.

I've been thinking the same thing, nottooold.

We complain when women are judged on their looks for jobs. Why are some of us doing the same for men?

I think it was that lot over on Mumsnet who started it all off, djen

Anyone else think Jeremy Corbyn is very sexy?(91 Posts)

Shocking!

(ps I prefer him in his white shirt and sports jacket, didn't fancy him at all in that vest )

Clothes for a job and looks for a job are two different things. If a woman goes for an interview in scruffy clothes, and another woman bothers to go in smart clothes, what do people think?

CDSs - roughly insurance in the financial world. Insurance against loans defaulting.
Best to look at wikipedia.
They were thought to at least contribute to the Lehmans Bank collapse and the financial problems of 2008 -9 and beyond, if not worse.

I think they still exist, but in a better/more transparent way.

Well, obviously if she's going for a job with The Guardian, the scruffily-dressed one will get the job because she's not conforming to the sterotypical view of how a woman should dress for an interview.

[sage nod]

Standard and Poor operate the Dow Jones index, the US equivalent of the FTSE index. Hope you haven't got any shares, soon.

.....and if there are spelling mistakes in her CV she's guaranteed to get the job.

This is an interesting essay about the state of the Labour left, from the Guardian on Wednesday.

Thanks stb think I've got it!
I may look at wikiwotsit later (I'll take a paracetamol first in case it makes my head hurt)

What an intelligent and perceptive article, thatbags, thanks for that link.

Yes, just read it and think it should be required reading for all on this forum who think Corbyn is the best thing since sliced bread.

In a way, I feel sorry for the man, because so many left wing/ greens/ etc plus some ordinary Labour voters have made him the ' personification' of all the things they would like most....it's a dream for dreamers.

He suggests that listening to Corbyn and his supporters is like watching a relegated football team find excuses for the causes of defeat and concluding they has spent too much time on the opponent's half of the patch." It's funny how commentators and politicians are so keen on domestic or sporting analogies - perhaps because the images are misleading in their simplicity. The general election turnout was 66% - so not a magnificent representation of participative democracy. The gap between potential and actual voters suggests that some voters saw no point in supporting any of the parties, as they perceived them to be proposing a very similar agenda.

The writer says that "the case for listening to people who voted Conservative and thinking of ways to change their minds has been crushed. This was the ethos of New Labour" My feeling is that a party should truthfully represent what it believes in and hope that the arguments it puts forward are convincing enough to maintain its own committed supporters and to attract voters from other parties. I don't believe that a party should turn itself inside out to accommodate the wishes of people who have a diametrically different political stance. My feeling is that Blair's cosying up to Murdoch, Mandelson's smug statement that he was "intensely relaxed about the super rich", the continuation of the PFI agenda, the loosening of bank regulation and, finally, the reckless and questionable way in which Blair drew the UK into an illegal war made many voters question whether there was any point in voting Labour.

The writer then says Labour would need to marry political reality with moral authority and then goes on to list deficit reduction, reforming social security and immigration - very much the priorities of the Conservative Party.

He characterises Jeremy Corbyn as someone unfairly representing himself as taking the moral high ground and sneeringly refers to him as "the anointed one". The implication is that JC has carefully cultivated a saintly image. JC has been an MP for 30+ years and has never sought the limelight. He has loyally represented his constituency whilst at the same time campaigning for non-violent solutions to national and international conflicts. He has not been part of the Westminster "gravy train" and has, I think, the record for making the lowest expenses claim.

The suggestion that Corbyn is "immune from criticism" is laughable. Not a day goes by without something being dragged up in the mainstream media to try and ridicule or discredit him. If certain individuals and organisations wish to demonise him, it is perhaps natural that those sympathetic to Corbyn's views tend to go the other way and lionise him.

I didn't think the writer did imply that JC was taking the moral high ground - rather that his supporters do see him as the messiah of the Labour Party and in their eyes he can do no wrong and is therefore 'immune from criticism'.

exactly Ana, that is it in a nutshell.

and who can live up to that?

Another of your very reasoned posts Eloethan. Obviously the man writing the article is very anti the idea of conviction politics . Your comment:

My feeling is that a party should truthfully represent what it believes in and hope that the arguments it puts forward are convincing enough to maintain its own committed supporters and to attract voters from other parties. I don't believe that a party should turn itself inside out to accommodate the wishes of people who have a diametrically different political stance.

... seems to me to sum up the attraction of what Jeremy Corbyn says rather more than the article. Obviously, now we are beginning to see more articles about why it is possible for a Jeremy Corbyn led party to win a GE the anti-Labour voters will delight in anything that attacks him. As they are never going to vote Labour whoever leads the party, we have little need to pay attention to their views.

I guess Rafael Behr doesn't like Jeremy Corbyn very much. He's not alone there. He doesn't add much to the debate though, does he?

If JC does nothing more than kill New Labour and its message stone dead, then that is a great achievement and a legacy anyone should be proud of. If he does no more than return the party to its core values and inspire a generation that has no experience of socialist principles in politics then he has done a great thing. Sneering at what he has already done and is doing is the stock in trade of a columnist who doesn't have to propose any alternative.

As they are never going to vote Labour whoever leads the party, we have little need to pay attention to their views.

What a strange attitude, Gracesgran. As one who has voted for each of the three major parties at one or another time in the past, I would certainly consider voting Labour in the future. Not every voter is as determinedly partisan as you seem to think.