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Drunk tanks

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Jane10 Fri 29-Dec-17 13:07:12

Obviously I'm an old fogey but I'm so annoyed that people are getting themselves so drunk and out of control that we need to have drunk tanks staffed by NHS. I know this is a pragmatic decision to reduce admissions to A&E. It's the fact that people are so selfish and just plain stupid as to get themselves in such a state. Who should pay for their care? Themselves once they've sobered up? Alcohol suppliers? I don't think it should be those of us who don't and never did get ourselves into such a state.

OldMeg Fri 29-Dec-17 13:16:31

Good question Jane I heard that on my Alexa News Flash (🤓) this morning. It appear some major cities already have these.

Perhaps they should have to pay a fine as they might have to if brought to court for disorderly behaviour - preferably to be paid before they are released.

MissAdventure Fri 29-Dec-17 13:19:12

I think it only fair that people should pay out of their own pockets.

vampirequeen Fri 29-Dec-17 13:21:58

I have to admit I was a heavy drinker in my late teens and early twenties but I was always able to get back to where I was staying. DD1 and DD2 also drank at that age. DD2 works in a pub and says that drinks esp. shots are much cheaper these days so it's easier to get over drunk. She said that many often arrive drunk cos they've had wine before leaving the house. We never did that. We started sober. So even if they drink a similar amount to what we drank when they're out they already have alcohol in their system before they start.

Is it a change in behaviour because it's a new generation or are they simply reacting to the easier availability of alcohol? When I was young there were limited opening times and cheap alcohol did not exist. It had to be bought from a beer off not a supermarket. Now it's available 24/7. I don't think it's because we were more sensible. I think we would have drunk to the modern excess had it been available to us.

Perhaps the time has come to review the availability of alcohol in supermarkets.

paddyann Fri 29-Dec-17 13:22:06

I think its a good idea,it can be run with a couple of staff and free up the A and E staff to get on with their real job.Alcohol is and has been a huge problem here in Scotland for decades or more .....I remember hearing stories of women standing outside the shipyards to take the mens wages off them BEFORE they spent it in the pub.aND THEN THEY'D GO HOME AN DBEAT THEIR WIVES.sO ITS ONGOING

OldMeg Fri 29-Dec-17 13:27:12

Found this

Drunk and disorderly in a public place (Revised 2017)

Criminal Justice Act 1967, s.91
Effective from: 24 April 2017
Triable only summarily
Maximum: Level 3 fine
Offence range: Conditional discharge – Band C fine

What’s a Level 3 fine or a Band C fine?

Perhaps you can tell us VQ tchwink

vampirequeen Fri 29-Dec-17 13:29:45

Maybe they could introduce on the spot fines for anyone who has to stay there.

Coolgran65 Fri 29-Dec-17 13:34:39

Paddyann Here on the Emerald Isle we would have the same attitude to alcohol as in Scotland, possibly a Celtic trait.
My friend and I often discuss this and had similar happenings when growing up i.e. if father wasn't home within a half hour of finishing work then he wouldn't be home till after 'closing time'. Women got their housekeeping hopefully before it all got spent in the pub.

Going back some 60 odd years much work was more labour intensive, done outdoors in horrible weather, and I can see how the camaraderi (sp?) of the pub with workmates might appeal. Not saying it was the right way of doing things, it's just how it was, as I recall it.

As for not being available 24/7..... hmmmmm... not so sure about that. There was always the pub with the back door at 9 in the morning. The lock in 'after hours'. As long as there was no trouble a blind eye was turned most of the time.

Baggs Fri 29-Dec-17 13:41:33

Apparently my miner grandfather was unusual in what is now South Yorkshire in not drinking beer (he drank about a gallon of sweet, black, often cold tea a day instead) and in handing over his entire wage packet to his wife.

paddyann Fri 29-Dec-17 13:47:23

Been at many a lock in when I was young ...and even quite recently and the local bobby was known to pop in for a drink on his way weren't all angels .many folk got just as legless in the 60's and 70's as I recall .Not me I should add..not that I was an angel but my family all signed the pledge so drink wasn't an option in our house.Even in the 80's my aunt went to buy booze for party and asked if the Whisky and lager would keep until the Saturday was Thursday ....lolTook a while for her to live it down.

BBbevan Fri 29-Dec-17 13:59:22

If they have to use an ambulance, A&E or a drunk tank because they are inebriated, they should be charged, No question

Jane10 Fri 29-Dec-17 14:02:58

It's the drunk girls peeing in the streets and puking everywhere and the lads beating people up. I really don't remember such disinhibited behaviour being somehow seen as cool or admirable. No wonder some cultures look down on us for allowing this situation to arise.

MillieBear Fri 29-Dec-17 14:05:27

OldMeg band C fines are 150% of the weekly income of the offender. Reduced by up to 33% for a guilty plea.

paddyann Fri 29-Dec-17 14:28:27

I certainly dont remember girls peeing in the streets but fights on the weekends have been around as long as I have .We live in a tourist area and in the 60's the dancehalls were always busy ..there was always a busload of young people..usually boys from a different area who turned up ..there was ALWAYS fights .Some that meant hospital,some where they got taken away in Black Maria's .It was the same in Glasgow in the 70's and 80's when I worked there ...and then there were the "football fans" having running battles down the streets too.Unless you lived in a very rural or genteel part of the country drunken fights were a regular thing ...of course there were weddings that ended in Black Marias too ..usually "mixed marriages " so anyone who thinks its only THIS generation who behave badly should look back without the rose tinted specs

kittylester Fri 29-Dec-17 14:35:03

I don't remember this sort of thing happening when I was young and, of it happened at all, it wasn't run of the mill, in the centre of town, every Friday Saturday.

I believe that it is illegal for bar tenders to serve alcohol to someone who is drunk. As this is obviously happening, I think the bars should pay for the drunk tanks.

Jane10 Fri 29-Dec-17 14:35:50

That's all fine then Paddyann. Just because it happened in some areas in the past means that it should continue and we'll all sit back and pay the price in alcohol related deaths and injuries and family suffering!!

Oldwoman70 Fri 29-Dec-17 14:40:02

As it is illegal to sell alcohol to someone who is already drunk the police/NHS staff could find out where the last place the drunk person got served and then fine that establishment. It could make the pubs/clubs be a bit more responsible in who they sell to.

humptydumpty Fri 29-Dec-17 14:49:36

I agree Oldwoman

BlueBelle Fri 29-Dec-17 15:09:00

When people are drunk and disorderly and injure themselves they should definitely pay for any treatment needed and it should also be done in the basic of treatment rooms so yes I agree with this and the same treatment for anyone abusing drugs and needing treatment
The abuse the nurses and doctors get on Friday/Saturday nights in A and E is totally unacceptable

paddyann Fri 29-Dec-17 15:12:02

I DIDN'T say it was all Ok ,just that it has always happened ,but to read some posts it appears no one ever heard of drunken fights etc ...frankly I dont believe it

Niobe Fri 29-Dec-17 15:12:25

My gut reaction is to agree that anyone who needs 'drunk tank' because they have drunk too much must pay BUT would the next step be to charge anyone overweight for treatment for T2 diabetes, smokers for lung cancer treatment etc.etc.? Food for thought?

kittylester Fri 29-Dec-17 15:15:47

Paddyann, I most certainly don't recall any fights, falling over or weeing in the streets when I was young.

Oldwoman70 Fri 29-Dec-17 15:24:45

After a night out in the city centre I would happily stand around waiting for a taxi and feel perfectly safe - not something I would do now. Yes there was the odd fight but not that often, it was rare to see someone falling over drunk or vomiting and urinating in the street. Where I live it has become necessary for volunteers to patrol around the river as there have been several deaths from people falling in or attempting to go for a swim whilst drunk.

BlueBelle Fri 29-Dec-17 15:27:27

Being overweight is counter productive to the person themselves but doesn’t harm others and certainly doesn’t abuse the nurses and doctors so I think that’s a pretty lame argument Niobe
I ve not heard of a nurse being trapped under a fat body or being pinned down and have smoke blown into their lungs however I have heard of nurses being spat on cursed and hit
I have also heard of people being killed by drunk drivers, punched to death in the street, raped, hit and verbally abused ...diabetics, lung cancer self harm hurts the person themselves
There were certainly many fights Friday and Saturday nights in my town in sleepy Suffolk however I don’t remember people weeing in the streets and usually it was a case of the girls watching not taking part

harrigran Fri 29-Dec-17 15:45:39

I was young and socialising in the 60s in what was considered a quite rough area but never saw the drunkeness that is common on a daily basis now. The way young women get drunk and pee in the street is horrible, do they have no self respect ?
If it was up to me people treated in drunk tanks would be invoiced for their care as if in the private sector.