Animal cruelty

durhamjen Thank you.

Is this cruelty enough for you, Wally?

www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2018-01-22/why-chickens-are-dying-on-the-way-to-the-abattoir

Here's my take on this. I Abhor cruelty especially on the defenceless which against us all animals are. I don't eat red meat and if I find that by eating chicken I am encouraging cruelty I will stop.

How would you know if the meat you eat is halal or kosher?
This thread started by saying that most abattoirs are halal now.

Lilyflower - if you have ever, i mean ever, eaten halal or kosher meat I don't think that 'disgusting' is too strong a word!

So a million chickens dying on the way to the abbatoir doesn't matter, does it not, GoldenAge?

I feel angry and nauseated to know that some humans have such little regard for their fellow creatures.
I don't understand how such barbaric practices are allowed in our country.
How were halal abbatoirs able to flourish in Britain?
If we were to try to impose our beliefs and practices in some countries we could be imprisoned.

Barnet, you are correct, abhorrent things do occur in non-halal abbatoirs but that's no reason not to focus on halal abbatoirs because there is lots of evidence to show that these are by far the worst. I have a second home in Turkey and have seen the cruelty meted out to goats at times of religious festival - the idea that someone says a prayer over the animal and covers its eyes while its throat is being slit open, and that makes it all OK is quite frankly ridiculous. The Q'uran is clear in its message that for any meat to be halal it must not only be killed in this way but that it must also have been reared in a way that has not harmed it - well we all know that that part of the commandment is not adhered to, so why allow halal abbatoirs at all in the UK? Let's just have decent standards of animal slaughter and let the law of the land reign supreme over religious requirements by various sections of the population - I know I won't be popular but I've seen halal slaughter and it's barbaric

Fgs...boils.

It all books down to religion and religion is the root of unrest, wars, hate, violence and ridiculous and man-made 'fantasy' rules regarding dress, rituals, food and behaviour.
They are facts. No woman has had any influence in these bizarre practices.

help.sainsburys.co.uk/help/products/1926-halal-meat

www.gov.uk/guidance/halal-and-kosher-slaughter

Don't get carried away with the information spread by the Daily Mail and other media, don't blame just one section of the community, there is no pretty way of killing animals and never has been though I admit some are worse than others. Now many abattoirs have been closed animals are often transported long distances arriving stressed and smelling death in their arrival too. The days when animals were reared and killed on the farm were probably less cruel. I have no problem with people eating meat, I don't for many reasons, but don't pretend it is anything other than it is. People want cheap meat and therefore some is produced in less than desirable conditions. Sorry to any farmer's I might upset, I know you work very hard to produce food for this country and it is hard to make a profit, most of you will do the best you can for your animals in difficult financial conditions.

I would prefer that the animals were pre stunned. I saw a video where they were not and those in line were screaming and thrashing about on hooks as they could smell the blood of those ahead of them. This is because they "need" to be sentient while a prayer they do not understand is said over them before they are slaughtered. It is barbaric and I cannot help but wonder whether slaughter houses have jumped on the Halal bandwagon because it cuts out a stage in the process and therefore cuts costs?

Islam has been singled out on this thread because it is meat slaughtered to Islamic Halal regulations not Kosher or any other cultural/religious practice that is predominant in the meat on sale in this country.

Slaughtering is never going to be pleasant. Attack the whole 'animals for meat' thing if you want. But it's ingenuous to agonise over the final few seconds of the ctreature's life. And if you're going to attack Muslim practice, attack Jewish equally.

Why single out Halal slaughter? Abhorrent things happen in ‘ normal’ abbatoirs too. If you’re going to be against animal slaughter be against ALL of it not just one variety. FYI 84% of all animals slaughtered in the U.K. are pre-stunned and that includes halal slaughterhouses.
www.rspca.org.uk/getinvolved/campaign/slaughter

Religious or tribal, neither has respect for animal life.
Man does not need meat to live. Maybe there would be less ill health in the world were we vegetarian and when you consider how we need to resort to chemicals to give the 'fat free' meat so many demand and yet obesity is seen to be on the increase, sadly, amongst children.

www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2018-01-22/why-chickens-are-dying-on-the-way-to-the-abattoir

Did you all miss this news this week?

I just think it's truly horrendous how some farm animals are treated and how they are slaughtered.
I totally agree that animals are at the mercy of those who do the slaughtering and there is plenty of evidence to show that some people in the slaughterhouse are cruel and sadistic.

I was going to add that halal, kosher, whatever, is preferable (if you can use that term when it comes to killing) to animals being stunned with electricity, then hung on hooks while still alive and cut up by electric saws. Which is the way that most of your supermarket special offers have met their end.

We’re kidding ourselves if we think there’s much difference between what happens in Halal or kosher slaughter and what happens in other slaughterhouses. Animals are always at the mercy of whoever is doing the slaughter and they always suffer. Animal Aid and other animal rights groups have uncovered terrible abuses in all places. We have no cause to feel morally superior.

Both the halal and kosher methods stipulate that the animal is killed with one quick stroke of a very sharp knife to minimalize suffering. The idea is that then, after killing, the blood is drained to prevent the flesh of the animal to detriorate very quickly. This was a method used by our ancestors also, before refrigeration. Get a grip. Or stop eating meat.

I take exception to the post which singled out Islam as being responsiblefor this practice. The Jewish faith demands that meat be Kosher and a similar killing method to Halal is used. This practice has been going on in this country for a very long time and not a word of protest has been uttered - why single out Islam for criticism and not Judaism ? There are all kinds of moral, faith and political issues here, but what it comes down to is that this is a cruel and totally unnecessary method of killing sentient mammals and it should be stopped. Now. I’m all for tolerance of other faiths and cultures but we are supposed to be a nation of animal lovers - does this compassion only apply to animals we don’t eat ? We have laws in this country which are supposed to protect animals and these slaughter methods bend the rules to breaking point. If those of the Islamic or Jewish faiths wish to keep these traditions perhaps it’s time we insisted that the meat be imported from suitable sources so that this barbaric practice does not take place in this country.

As another poster has said, the reason why there isn't an outcry against kosher food is because kosher outlets are relatively few and the Jewish community have never had the same insistence upon its necessity that the Muslim community have for halal.
I have quite a few Jewish friends who don't seem to bother beyond not eating pork or shellfish etc. But many people love to twist one's argument, to level accusations of racism and bigotry etc.
The only way to fight this is for more and more of us to stop buying our meat at the supermarket. Use local butchers and always ask the question, "has this been ritually slaughtered?" Because many times animals are slaughtered in a ritual manner and then declared not halal by means of someone finding that pigs have been slaughtered in the same abattoir or some such and so that meat enters the food chain as, "non halal" .
If more of us who care do this and continue to lobby our MPs then eventually we might get through.
Personally I don't think I could ever become totally vegetarian but I have certainly eaten far more vegetarian meals since I discovered this abomination. I now only buy meat from local outlets who actually care about keeping their customers happy as their customer base is so much smaller. It works out more expensive, hence fewer meat based meals,but I'm healthier and have a reasonably clear conscience as a result.

What really upsets me is that we are all eating Halal meat without knowing it- it is in schools, hospitals, restaurants, supermarket ready meals etc.
I buy all my meat from a good local butchers who only buys from LOCAL farms & I save a fortune too as I only buy what I need & not a pack of meat plus his prices are less than supermarket. He can trace everyone of his animals back to the local farm & they are all humanely treated. I do not, however, know if where they end their days also deals in Halal meat. I'll ask him next week.
I was Veggie for 25 years so it is important to me to know that what I eat is suffering as little as possible.