Animal cruelty

Howver well the animal is treated during their lives- they are all slaughtered in the end. However it is done it is horrible, it’s never cruelty free.

I usually eat meat two or three times a week, well sourced and from our local butcher. The lamb is from his fields, chicken free range and organic. I’m coming to the end of s meat free three week period away. I haven’t missed meat at all and I’m for the first time seriously considering a meat free diet.

Apparently 25% of meals in the UK now contain no meat or fish, Eloethan.
That seems surprisingly but gratifyingly high to me.
Just another 75% to go.

If people are truly concerned about the way animals bred for food are treated, both duringtheir lifetimes and at the point of slaughter, I think they might do well to either:

Stop eating meat

Only eat meat that is organic and from a reputable source

Join an organisation like Compassion in World Farming.

I would say using the idea of halal slaughter is a dead cat to take attention from our own practices, but that's a bit sick, really, isn't it?

I doubt that it is just Halal practices that are inhumane.

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/exposed-the-long-cruel-road-to-the-slaughterhouse-781364.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3763589/Report-reveals-shocking-levels-animal-cruelty-slaughterhouses.html

Just picked up the post. Also says somewhere in the King James Bible we are not much of a people if we cannot care for the young, elderly or animals. On another tack... I have just learned of an online Petition - Change.org. The Petition was to Teresa May requesting a law for an Animal Abuser Register. Dreadful story about the abuse of "Chunky" - a tiny Chihuahua.
www.change.org/p/rt-hon-theresa-may-mp-justice-for-chunky

"This morning, a report was published by the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Commons Select Committee, which suggests that the commitment to paying regard to animal sentience in the Bill should be delayed.
The Committee cites concerns that having to pay regard to animal welfare might lead to a “chilling effect” – slowing down, or freezing, some new policy-making. Compassion feels that the “chilling effect” is entirely desirable. It should not be possible for Ministers to formulate new policy affecting animals without giving full regard to their suffering."

We knew it was all window-dressing, didn't we?
Gove's as cold-blooded as his dad's fish.
Amazing that people were taken in by him.

Well said Barnet and sarahellenwhitney. I couldn't agree more.

I find this debate very interesting, there is little defense of the indefensible. It must be a positive thing that people are taking more notice of what goes on their plate and how it got there. I think a light is starting to shine in the areas that a lot of food producers would rather the majority of the public don't know about. I think individuals must care enough to take some action, it all adds up.

You are quite right suzied the dairy industry is every bit as cruel, whether large or small farm. It’s not possible to make a cow carry a calf every year then remove it at birth without causing untold suffering to both. Not to mention what then happens to them both when they are of no further use. Like dj I would like to see everything labelled as to its origins so we know exactly what we are consuming.

I put my hand up as a meat eater. But I buy from a farm, where the animal are grass fed and free range and are slaughtered (I hate even talking about it) locally so there is little travel and as little stress as possible.

I now eat meat every 3 days, fish and veggie the other 2 to try to salve my concience.

The dairy industry is just as cruel as the meat industry, particularly in the intensive factory farms.

I didn't, POGS. Perhaps I should have said 'people' instead of 'you' as that's what I meant.
You did notice that I agreed with you in my first two sentences, didn't you?

I think it must dehumanise those involved in the whole process.

Where we live there are many poultry farmers - they rear literally thousands at once. I asked a local how they get them all in the lorry for the abbatoir. Evidently there are teams of workers who go into the chicken house early in the morning when the birds are still dozey. Each person grabs as many as he can (by the legs) then throws them into a container. This goes on until all are caught. Bedlam.They're then taken to a building where they're gassed before being killed.

durhamjen

"However, you should still not think that all is right in other abattoirs. There's cruelty there as well."

If you read my posts I did say:-

" It's high time slaughter houses whether they are halal producers or not are on CCTV and halal meat has labelling in our food outlets as I certainly want to know. angry"

I gave no comment nor thought to some abbatoirs being
'all right' on any thread or post since 2012 so I don't know why you suggest I think that way .

I would like it too. It might make people think about the fact that they are not just buying a piece of steak, but part of an animal that was slaughtered.

However, you should still not think that all is right in other abattoirs. There's cruelty there as well.

www.viva.org.uk/what-we-do/slaughter/slaughter-farmed-animals-uk

This is a subject we debated on GN in 2012./2014/2015 and her we are in 2018 and nothing has changed to my knowledge. I am fully understanding of cultural requiremts when it comes to Halal/Kosher food , although I am against it personally, my view has always been we should be told if the meat and poultry we buy should be labelled as Halal/Kosher to choose if we wish to buy the product .

www.gransnet.com/forums/aibu/1192172-Halal-meat?pg=1

"POGS Thu 10-May-12 20:47:55
April 24th a Tory M.P. lost a motion to get all meat produce labelled as to whether or not it was halal produced.

This is a report in a well known newspaper, what do you think.

VET ATTACKS ABATTOIRS FOR FAILING TO STUN ANIMALS.
A leading vet has called for a crackdown on the rising sale of meat from animals that have not been stunned prior to slaughter.
Bill Reilly, a former president of the British Veterinary Association said killing conscious animals by slitting their throats caused them distress, fear and pain.
Stunning animals before slaughter is MANDATORY in the U.K., although there are are exemptions on religious grounds to produce halal meat for islam and kosher meat for judaism.

He went on to say 25% of the meat market is now halal produced and is being sold to unwitting customers in supermarkets and takeaways.

I for one would want to know if the meat I buy was halal and unlike some of the M.P.s who tried to make it a racist point of view I fully understand the requirement for halal and kosher meat but I don't feel I should not be told as the consumer. I also think it would be a good idea for those who need to buy halal meat in a supermarket etc., to be able to buy for their religious requirements too. Am I wrong?"
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POGS Tue 03-Feb-15 10:58:06
Bump from 10th May 2012

I have bumped this thread as I just hope the opposition benches who opposed the motion by Conservative MP Philip Davies from getting halal meat 'at least' labelled as such are ashamed of their tactics stopping it going through. I heard Labour MP's even using racism in the debate they were quite pathetic.

Well now there is the case being reported today showingshowing video evidence of abuse at a halal slaughter house and I hope he raises it again in Parliament. He does keep trying but he might just 'shame' Labour into passing legislation this time as this slaughter house is disgusting and it is cruel.

I was pleased to see the Muslim community has condemned the slaughter house also.

It's high time slaughter houses whether they are halal producers or not are on CCTV and halal meat has labelling in our food outlets as I certainly want to know. angry"
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www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1205436-Halal-and-Kosher-meat?pg=2

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 06-Mar-14 13:35:10

"The president of the British Veterinary Association has called for the banning of this way of slaughtering animals for meat. I agree with him on this. It is cruel and inhumane. Nothing to do with anti-muslim feeling or antisemitism. Just totally abhorrent."
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May be interesting to some to read these threads and no doubt since 2012 if nothing has been done by our politicians by now it never will. I still remain of the opinion the buyer/consumer should be informed if the food they eat/purchase is Halal . We would be shocked to see how much of our food chain is Halal produced whether we like it or not.

Much easier when you and your husband are on the same wavelength over it, Skweek.

I agree with Barnet, but animals for food are all treated abysmally throughout their whole lives (not only for Halal/kosher reasons), the muck that is shoved into them, the lack of space given to them, etc. I was vegetarian for many years, but had a huge row with my DH, MIL and DS over Xmas when they insisted on buying goose and ham and since I have always hated meat anyway decided to go vegan, so have just gone the whole piggywig and stopped eating any animal products with immediate effect. So far feel much better for it, healthwise and conscience-wise and if I'm doing my best to protect animals, so much the better!

Lets no get all sanctimonious about it
Slaughtering creatures by any means for our ingestion is inhumane
Its not fair to target one method against another without being in possession of the facts
Has anyone ever been in a slaughter house?
I have and you can see the fear on the faces of the condemned creatures before they get to the stunning area and sometimes stunning wears off before the deed is done I have seen the, oh so prized Christmas turkeys hanging by their feet wholly conscious before being killed having "come round"
Don't blank your mind to the normal practice of slaughter in non muslim slaughter houses, it horrible, but its the price we pay for being an omnivore, which means that humans eat anything thats going just like pigs, mackerel, or some primates so the point is we have nothing to be proud of in our system
Want to know more????
Just Google "stunning turkeys" and also an objective article can be found at
www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/what-is-halal-meat-the-big-questions-about-religious-slaughter-answered-9331519.html

I agree with polyester57.

My grandma would have said two (or more) wrongs don't make a right.

Never mind chickens dying on the way to the abattoir, are you aware of what happens to male chicks who are not used for meat or the reptile trade? They are minced alive for pet food. It is absolutely criminal what the human race will do in order to save a few pennies for their production of meat and we condone it by buying the eggs produced in huge production farms. We also anaesthetise children from the horror of meat production by not letting them see that their meat products are real animals. The outcry when butchers hang up a whole pig, etc is just incredible.