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I'm losing my job and I feel lost.

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HotTamales Wed 16-May-18 18:53:20

I'm new here but very much a regular on MN.

As I had my children when I was young I am a young Grandma in my mid 40s.

I'm about to lose my job, although my employers can't say this ultimately, it's because I'm 'old' and expensive.
It's the same all over my type of career, I would like to begin another career but I have no idea where to start.

I feel bad at the loss of income, DH is fantastic but I feel like I'm letting him down and I feel lost and I've no idea what I could do next.

Our adult DCs are young, successful and gorgeous, obviously this is excellent but it also reminds me how old I am.
They are full of energy and optimism whereas I feel dragged down by age and responsibility.

Any useful advice for getting my mojo back would be appreciated.

glammanana Thu 17-May-18 13:19:13

Even though you have discounted teaching as a full time profession could you not think of supply teaching and you can pick and choose when and where you worked it pays very well and if it turned out not for you you could look elsewhere.

luluaugust Thu 17-May-18 13:41:31

I understand why you are feeling old but believe me you are not. Good luck with the job hunting somebody will be lucky to get you. It is fun being a young gran isn't it I can just about remember it!

jenpax Thu 17-May-18 16:27:04

Tribunal fees have been abolished and your local Citizens advice can help you lodge the ET1 for constructive dismissal so you would not have to stay there and go down the sham redundancy route also they may refer you to the Bar Pro Bono unit for representation so there would be no costs. I would not let this ride to be honest one bad appraisal looks like a ruse to me and Tribunals are well seasoned in spotting slippery employer tactics

Greyduster Thu 17-May-18 17:46:38

My DD, a graduate, lost her job early last year after working for the same firm for twenty five years. She was forty six. The two directors decided to retire and simply shut the firm down. Being out of work was a shock to her system. She had only ever worked her way up in that company and had never even had to sit an interview, so that was all new! She registered with agencies which, to be honest, weren’t particularly helpful, and simply buckled down and trawled the job sites. It took her a little over a year, during which time she did temporary work and voluntary jobs to build up her CV, and then managed to get a good job in the NHS. Please don’t despair. You are not old and there will be another job out there for you. Good luck.

Greta8 Thu 17-May-18 18:17:16

I would suggest some time out for a while after you leave your job. Maybe do some voluntary work to see if there is something that appeals to you. Don't go into social work - unless you want a) a nervous breakdown and b) are content to be the fall guy for all society's ills.

HotTamales Thu 17-May-18 18:42:34

glamm to supply teach you must have a PGCE, although I have a Masters I don't want to take a PGCE as I don't want to be a teacher.

I have every admiration for social workers but as Greta says I wouldn't want to be one.

Thanks Grey your daughter's situation sounds very much like mine, I'm glad it worked out for her in the end.

Jen thank you, I will consider taking it further though my gut reaction is to just get out as quickly and quietly as I can. As I said upthread, my self-esteem has taken a big battering and for me it's more important to get out with my sanity intact, rather than fighting it.

jenpax Thu 17-May-18 18:58:14

Totally appreciate that HotTamales. But remember the process isn’t quick! unless the ACAS pre conciliation reaches a settlement (this is part of the process that everyone follows when a claim is to be lodged, and just means a specialist team of conciliators speak to both sides,not together, obviously to see if agreement can be reached. Often if they think that either party has a rocky case they will say so and that will often encourage an employer to settle without going to Tribunal)
So you will have lots of time to prepare yourself and of course you can withdraw your claim without penalty at any time if it becomes too much.
I am just worried that you will miss your time limit to lodge a claim and later kick yourself? I see this a lot from people in your situation who feel too hurt, stressed and angry at the time but later when it’s settled down feel like tackling it but are then out of time

Grampie Fri 18-May-18 09:56:28

Take this opportunity with both hands.

Update your CV to restate your career objectives and to summarize your achievements. Show how you have progressed your career to fulfill your goals.

Take every interview as an opportunity to hone your negotiating skills after completing your research on what each prospective company needs to fulfill its mission.

Finally, negotiate well so you have no need to complain about the fabled "pay gap".

Seize every opportunity to be lucky!

luluaugust Fri 18-May-18 09:57:42

The cut and run feeling is as old as time BUT you say you feel you are letting DH down as far as the financial side goes, so please make sure you stay and get any redundancy etc you are entitled to. I don't understand all the tribunal side of things but you are getting good advice here - so big breath one thing at a time and again good luck flowers

cikada Fri 18-May-18 10:07:21

Well, it's possible all a bit late but you should not have resigned All you needed to say that you were not prepared to take a demotion and throw the ball into their court. They would then either have to make you redundant or sign a compromise agreement. You'd still leave but they would have to pay your compensation. Did you contact ACAS before or after you handed in your resignation, if before then they have given you very bad advice. Believe me I have dealt with this sort of scenario several times before.

ReadyMeals Fri 18-May-18 10:19:34

HotTamales what a wonderful parent you were (and probably still are). Not all of us have managed to bring up such successful and fulfilled adult children. You should let your deserved pride in this support you and give you good cheer as you navigate through to the next step in your own life smile

Missfoodlove Fri 18-May-18 10:20:50

You sound very intelligent and I don’t want to patronise you, however it is worth getting your CV checked out by a non bias professional in your field.
Make sure your Linked In profile is current and perhaps create a “ bio” that can be emailed out to relevant organisations.
My husband found himself in a similar position some years ago and it was the best thing that ever happened to him.
Finally good luck and try to view this as a golden opportunity to change your career for the better!
This link may be of some use;https://appointments.thetimes.co.uk/article/times-top-50-employers-for-women/

littleflo Fri 18-May-18 10:33:58

I was made redundant from a job I loved and I was devastated. I was in my mid 50s.

I went to an Agency and signed on for temporary work. It was a lot less money than I was earning as a Branch Manager at a Bank, but I was fortunate to have a substantial redundancy pay out. I really enjoyed the work, which was mainly at Local Authorities who preferred older temps. Then I was offered a job as receptionist at the Agency itself.

My advice would be to not rush into any decisions about your new careeer. If you lack any IT skills then you will need to brush up on them. This was an area in which I was seriously lacking when I was made redundant. I had 6 months Garden leave and used this to improve my skills.

Good luck.

libra10 Fri 18-May-18 10:34:04

Although you have degrees, have you considered other courses?

I did several in my early forties and gained qualifications which led to my career.

Colleges are helpful with mature students, and the courses might lead to something new.

Good luck for the future.

lollee Fri 18-May-18 10:39:07

I guessed what you were in your second post as i was the same for 26 years. I am not sure why you handed in your notice when you so obviously need a job, surely it would have been best to let them give you the push and take redundancy pay. It is usually at least a months pay for every year worked. With a lump sum you could have afforded to retrain whilst having a year or so off. Time to recharge and study your options.
At 40 i felt too old to do anything great with my life, felt it even more in my 50s and now I am 64, still fit and healthy, I regret the years I didnot take action. Don't end up like me, putting things off until you really are too old!

jenpax Fri 18-May-18 10:46:37

Cikada I totally agree the ACAS advice is shockingly bad?

GabriellaG Fri 18-May-18 10:47:20

Mid 40s and feeling old?
Wow!
I had just had my 5th child in my mid 40s and now, at 73 with all of them settled and 9 GC plus 3 GGC doing well, I have a new lease of life. I feel good, I'm (fortunately) very healthy and the world is my oyster...so to speak. So much to do, see, taste, enjoy and hopefully for many years to come.
Perhaps the OP could sit down and write a list of things that interest her jobwise and and look to enhance her credentials by getting additional qualifications...floristry? Starting a business from home or, if she can find a gap in the market, start an online business which would cost under £5k. Cooking to order? Think of your strengths and capitalise on them. No-one can get your mojo back except yourself and you need to be excited about new beginnings.
Good luck to all those starting afresh.

Coco51 Fri 18-May-18 10:48:08

Mid-40s HotTamales? You are but a babe in arms! Lots of time, perhaps to study or take a job you like rather than one that consumes you. I graduated at 61 and although I was already retired because of disability it gave me a sense of self-worth. The OU is excellent at looking after its students.
Think of the tremendous success you have had launching your children to be independent people - that takes some doing, and you should not feel worthless. Good luck with whatever you choose x

jenpax Fri 18-May-18 10:48:10

lollee The redundancy is supposed to be one weeks full pay for each year worked under 40 and one and a half weeks work for the over 40’s

Granny23 Fri 18-May-18 10:57:55

My DD was in a similar position in her early 40s. She was headhunted from Uni by a big finance house as a softwear developer and rapidly rose to become their new softwear expediter and trainer. Then she had the temerity to have two babies in quick succession and was told (off the record) that she would never rise further in the company as she had shown that she was not fully committed. In fact she was demoted! After a few years of this the Company offered voluntary redundancy packages with a lump sum and an offer of money for retraining.

She seized this with both hands, using the training money to complete a certified course to become a Celebrant, meanwhile working part time as an assistant registrar, licenced to perform weddings, and using her computing skills to simplify the registration softwear.

Now as a self employed Celebrant she does 3 or 4 funerals a week and the occasional renewal of vows, babynaming and memorial services. Working from home base, she can accept or turn down services so that she is able to be fully involved in her children's lives. Never been happier as she values being able to help people when their need is great.

Your comment about wishing to be a registrar made me think about DD's career change, particularly as she had just been mediating in an estranged family to decide on funeral arrangements and remarked that her job often involved 'conflict resolution'. Demand for the services of celebrants continues to rise - worth a thought?

EmilyHarburn Fri 18-May-18 10:59:00

Sorry to hear about your predicament at work. all too common it seems. This website may have helpful advice.

www.careershifters.org/

quizqueen Fri 18-May-18 10:59:42

It sounds like you would good be at some sort of social work either in that sector or the NHS. You could take some short evening courses or try the Civil Service; I would imagine there is lots of conflict in the housing sector! Could you be a doctor's surgery practice manager or a PA to a business director, especially in a small business where you would be expected to do everything. Lots of small businesses prefer more mature workers with a proven work record who aren't likely to keep going off on maternity leave. The business I work for has people apply for jobs and then get pregnant within months and then want to return part time and it's very disruptive to my line of work which needs a consistent workforce.

Grampie Fri 18-May-18 11:31:52

Thanks Emily for the useful link.

sarahellenwhitney Fri 18-May-18 11:47:26

Who said you are ' too old and expensive.?
This is discrimination. What country has this taken place? If in the UK contact CAB for further advice. Elsewhere then I am not aware what others can say or do.
The UK state pension entitlement age has risen but many are still working way over state pension age.

youngagain Fri 18-May-18 12:01:24

I went back to College full-time when I turned 40 and took a 2 year business course. Then later, after a long bout of illness, I went back to college at 53 years old and took a 2 year Beauty Therapy course. Both times I was a 'Mature' student but I certainly wasn't the only one. There were quite a few of us and we integrated well with the younger students. Actually, it was really a fun time. Why not have a look at the courses available at your local colleges and see if there is something available that you fancy taking up.
My qualification as a Beauty Therapist is now helping me to be able to volunteer for a charity helping ladies and teenagers deal with the visible side effects of their cancer treatment - and this year we are starting workshops for the men as well! The charity is called Look Good Feel Better and if anyone is associated with the Beauty Industry in any way, they are always looking for volunteers for the workshops, even if you are retired from the Industry. www.lgfb.co.uk. Please have a look at the website if anyone is interested. Thank you and good luck HotTamales for your future plans.