ISIS girl

maryeliza why can starbird not voice her opinion? It may not be the same as yours but it is a free country. I felt that was totally uncalled for.

Starbird

I agree with some of your points and not others but you are neither ill informed or stupid you are fully entitled to your opinion.

Maryeliza honestly calm down!!! surely at your age you have met people who don’t share rite opinion and can debate without being rude

She has voiced her opinions and I’ve voiced mine on what I think of them - some of the opinions are predicated upon totally untrue information btw

I do not think any of maryeliza's views are racially prejudiced. There are others that sound more so!
* EllanVannin* I do not have to accept the views of others! Nor do they have to accept mine. I support the right to express an opinion as long as it is within the law. i.e. not racist/ inciting hatred/ libellous.
I try hard to debate rationally and in an informed way rather than resort to emotive and badly informed ripostes. I do not always succeed

I tend to agree she shouldn’t be allowed back but I wonder if she could have been under duress to say the things she said Can anyone be so dismissive of death as she was or were people with knives /guns standing just out of vision in the video
I feel we should do what France does accept the baby when it’s born but leave her where she is, although that’s mighty harsh when you think she was only 15 when she ‘ran away’ I remember my youngest ‘running away’ at 15 only to the next town it turned out as she rang to tell me about an hour later and came back after the weekend (stayed with a friend) but how thoughtful are kids at 15
I read that they can’t refuse her entry back but she will probably go straight to detention then a trial for some terrorist crime
It’s a difficult one indeed if the words she said were not said under any duress then she a very hard and arrogant woman and doesn’t deserve to much forgiveness if not there may be more to it that we imagine
I remember a picture or video of a child with Sadam Hussain looking very happy and smiley but out of picture were guards with guns trained on him

maryeliza is very passionate and erudite. She reminds me very much of one of our daughters who is 41y. Probably nothing like that but it’s who I think of when I see her posts. Marmite comes to mind!

yes actually you do
Have to accept other people’s points of view that are within the law. that’s called living in a democracy!

maryeliza is rude and aggressive to anyone who she disagrees with.
No way to conduct a debate!
It disgraceful.....

Do you accept my view that the referendum on leaving Europe should be voided because it was clearly based on misinformation?

My first paragraph was simply stating facts - about 340 British ex ISIL supporters have returned and after undergoing sessions to determine if they are a terrorist threat, they are allowed to stay and are housed in council accomodation. Therefore I assume only the second paragraph has caused offence.

I have posted similar comments before - there is only so much money available to governments. The need is greater than the supply so some things go by the wayside - healthcare, old people care, education, environment, police, etc there have been many requests for more money to be devoted to these areas so where can we cut back?
Regarding housing, there are families with several children living in hotel rooms with a fridge and microwave, sometimes sharing a bathroom with others. Some have been there years. We do need more housing, but also, I don’t think it is a bad thing to suggest that a single mother who cannot be supported by her family, lives in hostel- like accomodation where they have other single mums to share experiences with. It could possibly have a resident older person as caretaker they could turn to. I am talking of good standard 1 bed accomodation with its own shower room etc There could be a communal laundry with several machines and driers. Perhaps communal kitchens and/or facilities in their own rooms. I am not suggesting it as punishment.

I would also advocate similar accomodation for single immigrants and other singles who cannot afford to rent. Possibly converted hotels. It would be cheaper all round, provide companionship and enable them to save. Perhaps such purpose built or converted accomodation does already exist here (they do in Germany) but I have seen tv programmes where immigrants in Calais say they want UK because they get a house instead of living on the streets. Perhaps they are misinformed?

Of course they are misinformed. Really starbird if you really wanted you could easily find the correct information about conditions for asylum seekers. Sometimes people prefer their own narrative.

You are allowed to make that view PECS without someone screaming obscenities at you in the next post.

By accept, I'm sure Ellan meant, that we have to accept that, that is your view.

And that is the difficulty Buffybee
People sometimes post in haste and anger. Their posts sound spiteful and ill informed. Or what they mean by a phrase or word is interpreted differently.
I certainly do not " accept" some of the opinions on threads. I accept people hold them & have the right to say anything legal. I would add that incorrect information, lying or exaggerated claims to back an opinion should be robustly challenged.

BB what is the matter with you? This thread has been full of prejudice, misinformation and racism. I’ll continue to robustly criticise as I wish - the actual language used by some of the posters I disagree with I find obscene tbh. A cavalier approach to facts is in itself an obscenity.

star, do you have a link please for the information that returnees are housed by councils in council properties?

I work with asylum seekers and trust me there is no life of luxury going on there.

You do realise they are not permitted by law to work......even as a volunteer? They are housed in places where dogs would struggle to survive.

a single mother in a hostel? They would be very vulnerable.

PECS I'll thank you not to use the word racist and my name in the same sentence. I mentioned prejudicial without using the phrase " racist ". Your thoughts, not mine !!
It's called being brainwashed !

PECS

Brexit too! Are you mad

No I don’t agree with you there were lies and misinformation on both leave and remain campaigns and it’s a bloody mess. You void the vote and you risk unleashing the far right! And I don’t mean our far right I mean the real far right of Russia and France.

Another thread though.

Star

Keep posting take no notice. Unfortunately as with mumsnet you do get some posters trying to dominate the threads and scare off other posters they don’t agree with. I think some of your ideas are interesting and worth exploring

after undergoing sessions to determine if they are a terrorist threat, they are allowed to stay and are housed in council accomodation

Where is this please?

Lily I have worked with children of asylum seekers. All have been 100% grateful and appreciative of the opportunity for education and surprised to learn they did not need to provide books,pencils and paper or pay for their children. So I do not think that they expected a 'free' ride.

I'm only interested in those who come into the country with skills to offer. I happen to know a paramedic who came here from Romania and who was on pins in case he had to return to his home country. How many of these type of immigrants with such skills are living on a knife edge because they haven't yet received UK status within the 6 year qualifying period ? There must be hundreds and it's wrong !

It's only 3 years in Australia----well it was for my family.

What actually have asylum seekers got to do with this?Returning Brits who have been fighting with IS would not be asylum seekers. I would think they would still have the families and homes they left when they went out.

I say no. She is not welcome. I do worry for her child, but there are thousands of children suffering because of her beliefs. If we legally have to let her back in, she needs to be thoroughly investigated and charged if possible. Her child should go in to care, as I don't think she is fit to raise a child.

Gonegirl, my error, starbox mentioned immigrants in Calais who were under the impression they would be housed in the UK. Of course that is not the same as an asylum seeker.

Nor is somebody who has been recruited by IS in the same category at all.

Gonegirl nothing directly to do with OP but as you know, threads will meander! And some posts were banging on about immigrants and 'people who come here' or 'send them all home' etc! Which also had nothing to do with the OP!