ISIS girl

I agree Iam, having lived abroad, and travelled extensively, people tend to group together- ethnicity, language and religion.

I was trying to say that if you feel part of the country/community you are living in and feel welcome then perhaps it would stop these young people gravitating to gangs/Daesh.

I find it hard that they still think Daesh is glamorous and that killing “non Muslims” will reward them in the next life?

I think it’s not so much feeling welcomed into a community but more you feel that the community you live in is intrinsically wrong and evil and you want to smash it and change it.

I have no idea why some British born citizens, who enjoy all that western style democracy has to offer suddenly seem to want to smash it down while others if the same ethnicity look on them with horror.

Are some people easier to brainwash? I think there are types and it’s identifying them early on is the key.

But there are many examples of educated terrorists which is the distinction I was trying to make- being a doctor doesn’t mean you can’t be a terrorist.
For example: Anwar Miah, a pharmacist from Birmingham who is currently being detained in Syria on suspicion of being a member of Islamic State.
And Iraqi doctor Bilal Abdulla, 27, and 28-year-old engineer Kafeel Ahmed from Saudi Arabia, who rammed a car into Glasgow airport before throwing petrol bombs at passengers.

Income, education and nationality would appear to be irrelevant. It's the ideology that's the driving force in making the decision to join a terrorist organisation.

I have just watched an interview with this young woman. She was asked if she was aware of the actions of ISIS before she left, the rapes, beheadings etc. She said she was and she was OK with that. She also said she enjoyed living under Islamic Law. Does that mean she will do whatever she thinks necessary to bring Islamic Law to UK.

It’s a very fixed ideology like the nazis. She looked very cold to me. A very frightening young woman.

In that interview, she doesn't seem to have any concept or recognition of the enormity of what she's done does she Oldwoman? Apart from saying sorry to her parents, there isn't the remotest trace of regret or compassion for what was done to "kaffirs", and yet she thinks the British public should show sympathy to her "for what she's been through".

My initial reaction was to think that she had forfeited her British nationality and should not therefore come back. However I have now realised that, in law, we have to take her back as she has no other nationality, and so I know think that she should come back, be interrogated, investigated, possibly put on trial and recieve a sentence of imprisonment.

Meanwhile her parents, who I understand are law-abiding folk, should care for her child. We hope that if this happens she can be de-radicalised in prison.

But isn't prison where a lit of radicalisation takes place varian?

There are good and bad in all communities, in all 'strata' of society and wealth/poverty/education/ lack of learning is not a barrier to being a good or bad person.

Some people are good at 'mixing' others are not. I worked within a large Sylheti community and met exactly they same range of personalities etc. as amongst any other group of acquaintances! Some I liked , some not! Why wouldn't I? I think when people are used to meeting and befriending a lot of people from a minority group it is easier to ditch the stereotypes. My own close family is a mix of English, Palestinian and Syrian people.

You are right Chewbacca radicalisation does take place in some prisons. If this young woman is imprisoned that risk should be taken into account.

We need totally separate prisons for these people. And very carefully vet any visitors.

Like Guantanamo mycat?

As I said I grew up in s very ethnically diverse area as a child. I saw many women with scarves, saris, legs covered etc but no burkas. None.

As a child we all played together. As children will always do.

Now I see in my home town completely divided areas. So schools, shops, streets all marked by ethnicity.

Why has this happened. Yes I get like calls to like but this is much more marked than before. It’s as if one community feels the other is tainted.

No of course not. Decent detention centres not torture centres.

I think this greater divide has happened since 9/11 when there was a significant increase in anti-Muslim attitudes. When a minority community feels under threat there is a natural tendency to cluster more tightly, to look for safety in numbers and then within there will be groups who want to assert themselves to respond to the negativity they feel.
Where I lived in Sth London my neighbours were a Muslim family. The young women, sometime after 9/11, chose to start wearing hijabs and black. They had not done that before but explained that they were trying to show their pride in Islam.. they did not want to be shamed. I am sure many will find that response difficult to accept. They were strong, educated working women making a personal choice. They were as appalled and horrified by the terrorism as any decent person would be. They did not want to be made to feel guilty or responsible for acts of terror.

PECS I accept your suggestion that the hostility towards our Muslim neighbours that has increased alongside increasing terrorism has contributed to the growing numbers of women who where black hijabs.
Our local newspaper published photographs of groups of Pakistani Muslim men living here in the earl 70's. All were wearing western clothing, none wore traditional clothes. These days, it's more like to see men from that community in traditional rather than western dress
The communities seem more separate rather than more integrated. We still have that northern ease of chatting around the market and the shops though

That’s interesting isn’t it? So you think the catalyst was 9/11?

Take her child to protect it and give it a good life and leave her where she is. She is a traitor.

We can’t though because if we ignore international law we can’t deport foreign criminals from our country.

She is a traitor I agree. I can’t see why her and others like her can’t be tried for treason. Imprisoned and so pay their debt to a society they spurned.

Why are you talking about ' integration '.?

ISIS is nothing to do with ' integration' .

ISIS believers do not differentiate between faiths they will and do happily slaughter, enslave Christians, Jews, Muslims you, me ,our children because it is about building the Caliphate .

There is no use for the word ' integration ' in the ISIS eutopia of ridding the world of all infidels they are not interested in ' integration ' it's a word they would spit on.

I think the discussion on integration was to try and find out how and why some people of all faiths and none become radicalised or become terrorists or far right nazis.

Of course POGS you are right there

She has her rights as a British citizen, of course, but according to tonight’s news, is appealing for public sympathy, claiming she “has done nothing wrong and has no regrets”.
Hmm.... “nothing?”

Do you hav einside information about atrocities she has committedMawBroon I haven't read of anything she has done apart from run away to be with the man she "married" as others have said her attitude of no regrets is a sign of grooming/brainwashing .She has learned not to be terror struck by what she has seen ,just like military personnel do and on a different level how our emergency services are with the horrors they deal with.
IF she was your daughter wouldn't you want her to be helped back to some kind of normal .I'd fight tooth and nail for mine in any circumstances .

Oh no paddyann, there is no inside information about any atrocities that SB may have committed. As she said herself in her interview today, "there is no proof". Time will tell......

She is quoted as saying she’d started becoming religious before she went, had seen beheadings on line, thAt is acceptable islAmically. She claims to have no regrets about going, otherwise she’d never have met her husband, to have enjoyed it until it got too hArd, says she was ‘a Housewife’ for four years.
This from a bbc news thread on line