ISIS girl

I think the Great British public would prefer not to have anyone returning here from ISIL - pregnant or not.

If she had shown the slightest bit of regret or remorse I would concur that she should be assisted, where possible, to return to the UK. But she stated, quite clearly and calmly, that she had no regrets about having joined IS. She confirmed that her life in the caliphate had lived up to expectations and she had lived a "normal life" there. Normality included being "unfazed by seeing a head in a bin, which she felt was acceptable because it had been "an enemy of Islam".

She eschewed her life in a safe and comfortable family home in the UK to live a different life with terrorists. Now she wants to return. Not because she's sorry about her decision. Not because she's seen the error of her ways. Not because she has realised that is a brutal and barbaric ideology. Just because she wants her child to have the benefit of the NHS.

So, let's bring her child back to the UK and let her family raise it in safety, afterall, the child is innocent. But she can stay where she is and rot.

she was a child and she was brainwashed ,like anyone else who is brainwashed she can only see that side of the story/arguement.If she was YOUR daughter would you still call her vile names or would you want her to get help?Let her back but keep her in some sort of secure unit,maybe when she sees her baby born and flourishing it will change her attitude

How do you know she was brainwashed?

How do you know she wasn't? Its the likliest expanation for her leaving a safe and loving home to go to a war zone ,or do you know young girls who readily do thet for fun ?

Jane the 150 stripped of their UK citizenship were all dual nationals and had NOT returned - their citizenship was stripped to stop them returning. SB is not a dual national and so whether anyone likes it or not cannot have her citizenship taken from her

I don't know whether she was brainwashed or not paddyann. Thats why I didnt make a statement about it.

Does the fact that she went out there to become, and became, the wife of an IS man necessarily mean that she joined IS herself?

Well Gone it certainly implies support but she was only 15 when it happened. But my whole point is that the great British public including some GNers think international law should be torn up in this particular case rather than address the issue of what should be done about returners with any links to IS. There’s a real lynch mob tone to many of the posts on here but I’ve not seen the same fulminating going on about the 100s of other returners and I can’t help but wonder why.

I wonder if it’s because the rest of them slipped back here quietly maryeliza unlike the circus surrounding this girl which is why we are all so informed and by default, concerned?

Well none of them was nine months pregnant that’s for sure and in a camp

What made Britain a civilised place to be was that everyone was equal under the law. There is no place for mob rule and vigilante attitudes in a civilised nation. Let the law take its course.

Also just to reiterate in the piece I saw the woman did not want to return she just expressed the view that her unborn child would benefit from being in UK and not die of malnutrition as her two previous babies had.

And this one won't be pregnant for much longer either apparently, because her birth date is very soon and the chances of her getting out of the camp, before she gives birth, are zilch. So, when it is possible for someone to enter the camp, without running the risk of losing their own life in the process, bring the child back to its grandparents and leave her where she is. Afterall, it's only her child she's concerned about.

I don't think men who went out there to join IS should be allowed back. But I don't feel the same about this young woman. I think she should be allowed back, but closely watched. But the actual logistics of her getting back seem to make it unlikely.

Definitely should not get back. She has no remorse. I think she has such a nerve to say that. This country is too soft. They have already let people back.

Silly, silly girls.

I think there were some doctors / medical students who went on humanitarian grounds. Maybe foolish, misguided and some may have been committed to ISIS but some may have thought they could be 'neutral. War has no winners.

Before SB went, the Prevent programme, police, children's services and security services had been monitoring her internet use and were aware she was being radicalised. Rather than tell her parents, they gave her and her two friends letters to hand to their parents informing them of the concerns. The three girls were flying to Istanbul and onwards to Syria within days.
As others have said, the UK can't remove her citizenship, international law won't allow the country to leave her stateless. The UK does have a choice about whether it sends the military or any other personnel to help her escape Syria and the camp she's living in. I agree with the spokesman I heard earlier who said why should anyone be put at risk in that way
If she manages to get back to the Uk I hope she's arrested, remanded and subjected to psychological and psychiatric tests. She has given birth to two children who later died. I can't imagine what motivated her to go and imagine that whatever distorted belief systems were behind her actions, won't have been helped by exposure to the horrors in the caliphate. We don't know if she was involved in any of those horrors, whether she was involved in the awful abuse of Yazidi women and children.

I think they must have had duel citizenship then as that’s legally ok to stop them returning here or to extradite them but international law states you can’t make anyone stateless so if you are a British citizen whatever you have done you are entitled to return to Britain.

Don’t know about a lynch mob? My recall is after all the IS attacks here in 2017 we all sane together in peace and love. I don’t remember any lunch mob and there’s no lunch mob mentality on this thread.

MOnica indeed poor poor Nazanin.

Oh yes there’s a lynch mob - a lynch mob is a group of people who do not respect the rule of law and would like to take the law into their own hands. Many posters on here don’t think the law should be followed in her case and that she is guilty without due process. Reading this thread some might think she had been single handedly responsible for the evil that is IS. And the baying mob elsewher in the media is even worse.

There’s a huge difference between arguing that the law should be followed and arguing that she should be brought out with UK help - I don’t agree with the latter and think that given the primacy of the former, what matters is that appropriate plans are made for if and when she ( and anyone else) returns.

Mmmm people venting their quite understandable anger on line and in RL at that is ISIS does not mean they are willingly ready to meet her off a plane and hang her by the nearest tree? That’s what Lynch mobs do.

No question of that happening by gransnetters or the public in general.

She is guilty of supporting a terrorist groupie. No due process needed for that. It’s fact.

No one has said she single handed controlled ISIS!!! Or in the media either!!

Anger at evil is quite right! As is due process, punishment, taking responsibility And concequences

As for Nazanin there’s been a group of posters who had zilch sympathy for her hinting darkly that there was more than met the eye or that she shouldn’t have taken her dd out to Iran.

Totally agree we need proper planning for these situations going forward.

I stand by my comments about the lynch mob mentality on here and some of the comments made about her. And the complete stupidity of those saying that international law should be torn up without a thought to what that would really mean in practice. I don’t do much see understandable anger as righteous indignation focusing on one young women when the real evils have been perpetuated by thousands of older men