a man’s internal feeling that he is a woman has no basis in material reality?

Peter Bright, a left-wing US tech writer, argued endlessly with feminists on Twitter about gender self-ID. As a proud trans ally, he decried “TERF [trans-exclusionary radical feminist] fear-mongering about public restrooms” as “fact free drivel”, asking “Is that a great disaster? That a girl sees a penis?”

Following an FBI sting in which he believed he was grooming a mother into allowing him to have sex with her children, Bright has confessed to discussing “engaging in sexual activity with minors”.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/children-won-t-find-role-models-in-playboy-ztfjq0t7t?fbclid=IwAR3sEAGPGNxF-65ACoWoZdz0vkY5jMC6zBQHcvGiAgXQemBVSq42oOLNJOM

Well said FarNorth

Neither can I.
I do get upset about the idea that men can self-id as 'women' especially given that women & girls already suffer harassment from men & boys, in everyday life.

Women and girls across the UK face "relentless" harassment on the street and not enough is being done to stop it, MPs say.

The politicians making up the Women and Equalities Committee looked into the issue for nine months and found the amount of harassment meant it became "normalised" for girls growing up.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45942447?ocid=socialflow_twitter&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=twitter&ns_mchannel=social

I mean we do not need to get bogged down in what terms we use or don’t use , correctly or incorrectly as a title for humans , drop the titles, nouns , pronouns , attitudes , just be who we are with courtesy, respect & tolerance to all.
There are bigger problems in the world to solve: starving people, the homeless, the elderly , etc etc.
I’m sorry I can’t get upset that a human can get upset if they are unintentionally NOT called by a title they have choosen.

Bridgeit, that's not my recollection of the 50s or most of the time since.
Also, I genuinely don't know what point you are trying to make.

Or in plain terms, stop defeating the objective, by forcing yet another directive!

It doesn’t help to conflate -traditional with dominant -
ie , in the 50s all aspects of daily life were shared, except for where a family member was obviously not suited to a certain task , ie no one wanted to eat anything I baked !

Jol960 and Fennel female to male trans might not be as dominating because they grew up being socialised as female then women.

People who have grown up socialised as male largely have been brought up dominate, to have entitlement, including over females.

Is this not obvious?

As my dear old Nan , use to say,:- You’ve got too much time on your hands !

Lesbians are peacefully protesting LGBT prides because they have been excluded from their own communities.
Lesbians must either accept that male bodies and attitudes are female or be shunned.

medium.com/@boudiccarises/bradford-pride-2019-getthelout-11e1f8708a13?fbclid=IwAR1hT8wSWJdUeQYXxbhsaiBbxDG7Vc4Pz2oRX3cm9Z-lvayXbNrRZgDtAjw

^^ This is from an article about Bradford Pride, where lesbians were considered to be a hate group for carrying a banner saying 'Lesbians Don't Have Penises'.

Indeed, Bridgeit, and I'd be happy with neutral pronouns, an idea that was suggested by feminists, many years ago.
Instead of that, the cool crowd seem to want a plethora of assorted pronouns to match their assorted 'genders'.

Perhaps it’s time to drop titles altogether, our first name & surname should be suffice.

Here's someone getting worked up about being called Ma'am.

www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DLb6OpRfyLFo&ved=2ahUKEwi0xIupxM7iAhVkTxUIHXRaAtkQwqsBMAB6BAgJEAU&usg=AOvVaw34qEQ1LFOma0KnIEV6qioM

Pronouns do matter.
I don't like being called Mrs......I am always a Ms and now I am older I am often called Mrs.......I have been known to get a bit cross about it on the phone. But also I think I must sound old.
I usually tell the person to refer to me by my first name if I can, if its for an address then it's Ms.

FarNorth possibly they are bit pedantic. I don't know. People insist on odd things. I know grandparents who refuse to be called anything which indicates they are GPs and insiste their GCs call them by a nick name-takes all sorts!

thank you notanan I am getting much clearer about what I want to say and what I "can" say.

strange times we are living in

bookmarking. Want to read later.

And the people who want to insist on their chosen pronouns?
Any theory about them?

When I use my initials, as I often do, I have been referred to as "he".and had post addressed to Mr. I don't think it affected me. Of course I may be wrong. Maybe I've been a strong independent feminist all my life because of it!

If it's so unimportant, trisher, why are so many people making a fuss about their preferred pronouns?

Would you be happy to hear someone refer to you as he/him?

Pinkquartz the difficulty is you can discuss with kids how gender steriotypes do not define the sexes, thats fine, unless they have expressed questions re maybe being trans, in which case anything other than positive affirmations can get you in hot water with authorities who are forming their guidance based on training and literature from dubious sources such as Mermaids.

youtu.be/ATNRbJW_JI8

Oh please. Words matter!

It's an interesting article FarNorth but based on a false ideology that says gender in language is linked with how we approach people and things. In which case those languages (and there are many) that use gender for inanimate objects approach objects differently. And actually we do do it in English- boats are always "She" I'm not sure we would feel differently about them if they were "He".

Wow not sufficiently validated ....sounds like extreme attention seeking plus bragging and a desire to cause conflict.

a person can identify as a woman but they cannot be a real woman unless their biology matches so they have to accept that they are trans women.
And the rest of us do not want people with penises in female only spaces.

I still thinking what I would say to the grandkids but will probably tell them to be wary.

The article 'Pronouns are Rohypnol' has been removed from Medium, but should still be available here -

webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3ASPK6ZOcWUnYJ%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fmedium.com%2F%40barrakerr%2Fpronouns-are-rohypnol-dbcd1cb9c2d9+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-b-ab&fbclid=IwAR0TK_JTNEI7PYb28qSFgKe-8FSZsum200nhP3PJVVQyfEcTfS_DIeJgt4U