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FarNorth Wed 12-Jun-19 11:54:49

What do you think of pre-teen drag kids?

I can see why the children enjoy it but it seems they're being led into an adult world that they don't understand.

This article explains further and says - This is obviously evil, and it is obviously exploitation. Every previous generation would have recognized it as such.

FarNorth Wed 12-Jun-19 15:34:02

M0nica Wed 12-Jun-19 15:42:16

Children have always been exploited for adult purposes. How does what this article describes vary from paedophilic exploitation of children and just how many children are really becoming part of this sick culture.

This not to dismiss or ignore it. This is paedophilic behaviour and the police should be acting to stop this type of child sexual exploitation in the same way that they would stop child sexual grooming online and sexting.

However, exactly how many children are actually involved in this I do not know and I think the majority of this generation are no different to any other generation in abhoring it, but in every generation there is a cohort of sick and depraved parents who will not hesitate to subject their children to sexual exploitation for their own gratification or gain.

Buffybee Wed 12-Jun-19 16:08:52

What do you think of pre-teen drag kids?
Well, for a start I'd never heard of them until this thread and even when I read the headline, I presumed kids drag racing.
I've now read the link with the video.
It's shocking, even more so as it seems to be encouraged by the Mothers.
A bit like these child beauty pagents , where they are dressed and make-up in a very sexualised way.
I think it's horrible! What can I say?
Words fail really.....

Jenty61 Wed 12-Jun-19 16:48:55

I was going to say I see no harm in it, its just kids dressing up, but after reading the link Im shocked, I didnt realise it had gone that far! Surely its classed as 'grooming' young innocent children.

Luckygirl Wed 12-Jun-19 16:57:32

Children have been sexualised in our culture for a long time - it starts with inappropriate clothes for little girls, and clothes with highly inappropriate things printed on them. And I guess this is where it finishes up. So sad - I remember my children running about in scruffy shorts and t-shirts and making perfumes and dens etc. And they did of course do dressing up - some of which involved dressing as the opposite sex - but it was all wholly innocent with no pelvic thrusting involved.

Iam64 Wed 12-Jun-19 17:09:12

It's sexual exploitation of children. They're being groomed aren't they ? How can any parent not realise the risks they're exposing their children to. How can any adult go along and whoop and cheer at this.
Children have always been used as sexual playthings by some adults but generally they keep this hidden. This is bringing it to another level. Yuk.

TwiceAsNice Wed 12-Jun-19 17:17:57

This is awful ! Why are adults endorsing it? It is manipulative and exploitive and so damaging I’m appalled

EllanVannin Wed 12-Jun-19 17:29:31

Blimey, a far cry from the dressing-up my friend and I used to do. An old neighbour, who was about 100 ! as we thought back in the 50's used to dig out her 20's clothes for us complete with huge necklaces of amber and jet and we thought we were the bees knees-------so innocent. Nothing in anyone's mind other than two little girls playing " house " with their dolls and prams. A wonderful childhood without any distractions.

It upsets me greatly now to see innocence has all but disappeared under a heap of exploitation and slavery where children are concerned. It's nothing short of sickening that children can no longer be children and instead are being used for the gratification of those whose minds are putrid and IMHO, dangerous ! The work of the Devil !

Luckygirl Wed 12-Jun-19 18:21:05

Sad indeed - childhood is so very precious, and you can only do it once.

Davida1968 Thu 13-Jun-19 12:16:25

I agree with MOnica. Awful, on so many levels.

allsortsofbags Thu 13-Jun-19 12:21:56

This is so very wrong.

I didn't know anything about this until I read this post. I feel sad for any child who's childhood is stolen for something so exploitative and angry at the exploiters.

Thins like this make me realise that while I don't always agree with my DD and SiL over something my DGD can't have I am so incredibly grateful that they are making sure she has a childhood.

Those poor children.

ReadyMeals Thu 13-Jun-19 12:45:08

I thought drag was just a form of entertainment and nothing much to do with sexuality? Isn't it just in the same line as men playing pantomime dames and women playing pantomime principal boy?

Willow10 Thu 13-Jun-19 13:03:40

Drag artists have always turned my stomach. To encourage children into it just makes me wonder what kind of sick world we are living in.

FarNorth Thu 13-Jun-19 16:54:03

M0nica said How does what this article describes vary from paedophilic exploitation of children

It varies by its appearance in the mainstream and its promotion to the general public.

See these two completely uncritical reports from the UK media :

Did you also know that some UK libraries are hosting 'Drag Queen Story Hour' for young children?

M0nica Thu 13-Jun-19 17:57:33

There is nothing wrong in being a Drag Queen, nor of them reading to children, though I am not sure what the children would make of them - possibly think the drag queen is a pantomime dame.

Nor, in principle, can there be any objection if children dressing as drag queens. The danger is where they are performing and how the audience is responding. When, as in the original article, these children are being turned into objects of sexual exploitation then it is going very wrong indeed.

The same problems arise with child beauty contests. In principle there is nothing wrong with them - until the children start to be encouraged to cavort and pose in a sexual way and the inevitable perverts start getting involved.

However, this isn't something that is happening widely, with every other child involved. As with beauty pageants, far more is written about them than, the number of children involved justifies.

It is a matter of concern and one would hope that both the police and the NSPCC were keeping a close eye on both children performing in drag and beauty pageants, but the numbers involved are unlikely to be very large and I think the vast majority of parents would not let their children get involved in anything like this.

There will always be people prepared to exploit their children for gain or self gratification and not mind how they do it. There will always be those in the media and arts world who like to flirt with anything that seems dangerous, or edgy and beyond what the majority of people consider acceptable behaviour. But the fact that all these things are being performed in public where others can see and the relevant authorities can monitor it, makes it a lot safer than what occurs in secret and in silence.

Iam64 Thu 13-Jun-19 18:08:07

MOnica, I agree with your post, but I'm not sure your final sentence which suggests because the acts are public, does make it safer for the children.
Ive no problem with drag acts, or with children dressing up. I do have a problem with children being sexualised, which is what I believe is happening here. That leaves the children more vulnerable to adult grooming and subsequent abuse.

FarNorth Thu 13-Jun-19 22:47:55

M0nica have you never heard the phrase 'hidden in plain sight'? It applied to Jimmy Savile, for one.

I wouldn't be at all sure of NSPCC keeping a sensible eye on anything.

NSPCC has recently had to back off from having Munroe Bergdorf as an 'ambassador' because of Munroe's questionable past.
It has also been found that James Makings, the person who organised for Munroe to be taken on, has been posting some very unsavoury photos and videos of himself publicly online, including some of himself indulging in fetish behaviour in his workplace.

The police won't be taking any notice, unless something is reported to them.

Ginny42 Thu 13-Jun-19 23:40:17

I shall be writing to my MP about this as I think children are at risk. This is not innocent childhood dressing up in old clothes and playacting.

agnurse Fri 14-Jun-19 00:59:36

There were at least two cases where it turned out that a drag queen involved in "Drag Queen Story Hour" was a sex offender.

Not someone you want to have around children.

POGS Fri 14-Jun-19 10:37:28

I certainly was unaware there was a Drag Queen contest for children but sadly nothing surprises me anymore.

I accept there will be children who are growing up knowing their gender is all mixed up and will be experimenting and desperate to simply be allowed to do what ' their ' instincts are telling them is right for them e.g wear a dress, apply make up etc.

However the Drag Queen scenario is something quite different in my opinion.

To my mind exploitation and possible grooming could so easily be being carried out on the periphery , who knows? What parent doesn't understand the paedophile is a vile manipulator who sometimes gains trust and friendships to be able to satisfy their desire. I am certainly not saying ALL involved are paedophiles but there is an alarming miscalculation of judgement by those involved whether they be parents or not in thinking this is not an open goal for a paedoohile.

If a parent understands his/her son is showing feminine traits , unhappy with how the world expects him to be then that parent is in my mind giving his/her child a gift of love and understanding by allowing them to express themselves but certainly not by exposure to the Drag Queen circus. If the child wants to do it then it is up to the parent to explain why such exposure is not the best course to take.

I watched a programme called Glow Up on BBC where budding make up artists do challenges to show their make up artistry skill and win in a knock out contest. The lovely lad that won and some of the others contestants related their childhood and how they would spend hours isolated in their bedroom applying make up , sort of hiding away and I think that is the opposite end of the scale . It is getting the happy balance that is so difficult for not only the children but the parents and family but Drag Queen events leave me cold.

FarNorth Fri 14-Jun-19 16:09:51

I don't know if there's a specific contest POGS.
It's definitely young kids being encouraged to dress weirdly (no problems with that) and to mix with adults who have very dubious morality.

Here is a video of Desmond with Michael Alig, a convicted killer who has served time in US prison.
Note the word Rohypnol on the picture behind Desmond.

FarNorth Fri 14-Jun-19 16:13:01

Here is a link to an article about James Makings of the NSPCC, including the NSPCC's stance that he has done nothing wrong.

Those who have raised concerns about the employment of a man who makes pornography from the offices of a children’s charity have been smeared as homophobic, as if being gay absolves one from the responsibility of behaving appropriately at work.

trisher Fri 14-Jun-19 16:32:43

I think an exploitation of children is wrong and if these children are being exploted then of course they should be carefully watched. The problem is that I don't think it is only "drag queens" that are a danger, Beauty pageants have been mentioned and I even wonder sometimes about the dance classes children attend. I went to a concert once organised by a dance school. I thought some of the dances were inappropriate. I don't think 10 or 11 year old girls should be dressing up and dancing in skimpy costumes to "All that Jazz" but I know the parents love it. It just makes me uncomfortable.

FarNorth Fri 14-Jun-19 19:15:30

I don't think anyone is carefully watching, who is able to make a difference, trisher.

I'm sure it isn't only 'drag queens' who may be a danger.